To lol at the feminism threads....

[Hannah4banana]

Seriously are people constantly looking out for a way to be offended first world problems!

We end up with grown women in low paid, insecure jobs. They are undoubtedly having worse quality of life than a man with a better paid, secure job.

While women have a harder time in terms of sexual violence, more men are both unemployed and homeless in the UK and US.

Give up the vote. Be ready for sex. Don't expect to be paid the same as a man. Have a pension based on your husband's wage. Assuming he stays with you. Let your dh have final say over your finances. Don't expect to keep your dc if he leaves you. Don't be surprised if he pops you a punch to the face on a Saturday night. You nag.

And I agree with Hannah. While lots of the problems that women face require urgent attention, some of the stuff Western middle-class feminists fixate on is beyond belief.

Feminism benefits men too. A lot of those men who are unemployed and homeless may be suffering from mental health issues, which go untreated in a lot of men because a culture of toxic masculinity leads them to feel that expressing their feelings makes them seem weak. Feminism isn't just good for women. It also creates healthy and well balanced men, leading to a happier and safer world for all.

Why do little girls like pink? Why is pink for girls?

I'm speechless, what a pile of crap! I've been with my husband 16 years. I think the issue Is with the individual and not the gender. Dont tar all men with the same brush!

I've known my DH for 30 years. He's never known me not to be a feminist.

I'm a feminist but I have hidden the feminism threads.

They are generally too angry. It's a shame as I'm sure there must interesting posts among the angry ones but angry one are too annoying. Everything gets derailed. I also don't like the crazy men-hating.

I definitely didn't find them lol-worthy. They were waaaay to serious for that.

I am so glad I found the feminist board here. The posters have really opened my eyes to how complacent and entitled I have been of my rights and responsibilities.

I don't post, but I read it often and look at the links and share what I learn with my dh and my sons.

By the way, feminists gave you the right to vote. Feminists created the first women's refuges. They fought to make marital rape a crime- did you realise that until 1991 men could rape their wives with impunity and in many countries they still can?

I genuinely think that most people, especially younger people, don't realise just how recent a lot of this all happened tbh.

Rape in marriage is a good example. I was born in 1991 and I still can't quite wrap my head around the fact that it was perfectly legal for a man to rape a woman as long as the woman in question was his wife up until October 1991.

I recently told DP and DSis (born in 1990 and 1986 respectively) about how rape in marriage wasn't made illegal until 1991 and their first reaction was disbelief. Their second reaction was horror that it was still legal at some point during their lifetimes, albeit a very small part of it.

No one is tarring all men with the same brush but it must be said that men are treated differently their whole lives than women are, leading to them often looking at the world differently. We are often told that sexual assault is our own fault and young women are forced to cover up in schools in case a bare shoulder distracts a male classmate. I'm sure you can see how ridiculous that is. A lot of men sincerely don't see or know about the constant "how do I make sure that I stay safe and that I don't get raped?" voice that's inside most women's heads a lot of the time, or the true terror that can come from being the only woman in a crowd of men, or knowing that you're alone with a man who could overpower you if he wanted to, and never knowing which man is safe and which man will take advantage of you if he can. The good men will understand and be supportive once they're told about it.

The thing that really gets on my tits about a lot of these feminists is that they never acknowledge the other side of the coin. There are a lot of areas where men are at a disadvantage compared to women, but when you try to recognise that, you get shouted down as being an MRA or "detracting focus from 'the current' issue".

Drastically higher suicide rates in men, significantly harsher sentences for a man who commits the same crime as a woman, the automatic favouring of mothers over fathers in family law/court etc. I see these issues in my (male dominated) work every day. But apparently we can only focus on one sex's set of issues at a time.

It's not tarring all men with the same brush to say that:

statistically men are paid more than women
statistically more murders of women are perpetrated by men
statistically violence against women is higher than that against men by men

That's not having a problem with an individual, that is having a problem with something far larger.

You're funny Pluto

I agree dovesong, but many feminists seem less interested in the economic structures that oppress men and women than crap about baby cards. I've worked with women who earn shit loads of money while suggesting that the white man lying in his own shit muttering to himself on the street has loads of power. That's BS. They just sit around drinking gin and watching the Girls boxset while giving no attention to the women who slave away for a pittance cleaning their offices. Baby cards and being called 'girls' is more important apparently.

Looking at gender/race imbalances is valid and worthwhile, but if you don't factor in economics then it's just a load of incoherent identity politics.

Men commit 96% of murders worldwide. Of course violence is gendered. It may be about the individual, but that individual is likely to be male.

So many trolly threads today.., some threads are ridiculous but in the whole YABU OP

But FWIW with the 18% wages thing I always think it's misrepresented it's men vs women as a whole so a premier league footballer vs a nursery nurse and a female brain surgeon against a bin man

What's an mra? It actually made me feel a bit crap reading some of the threads. I'm very independent but I took my husbands name and I'm so happy to be labelled a "wife". We are in it 50/60 why should I be judged because of that? I am so happy with my life, everyone is different.

Pluto... the clue is in the name itself 'Feminism'. It is concerned with the rights of women and where they are not aligned with men.

Some of the issues of men (such as the ones you listed ) are valid. But they don't personally affect me in the same way as some popular 'feminist' issues such as the wage gap. Thus I am more likely to personally focus on the issues that affect me first and foremost.

Men commit 96% of murders worldwide. Of course violence is gendered. It may be about the individual, but that individual is likely to be male.

"Worldwide" is irrelevant when comparing crime stats. You're going the crime stats of somewhere like Zimbabwe in with the crime stats of Finland. It's a crock.

I think the issue Is with the individual and not the gender

look at my stats re DV and rape etc above. It is men who are the perpetrators in this. I'm sure your husband is lovely but this country and most others have an issue with me as a class. Of course it's a gender issues. Do you think it's a coincidence that 95% of sexual violent crimes are committed by men?

I can 100% say I am NOT a feminist grin

I can say 100% that I agree - you certainly are not.

Luckily for you, you benefit from all the changes in laws, cultural expectations, and customs that feminists worked hard to change - starting with the right to hold property, going on to the right to vote, the right to use contraception, the right to custody of your children, and the right to equality in the workplace.

So you don't need to be a feminist (I doubt you'd be very good at effecting change anyway so not much loss) because others are busy minding your rights for you.

Some of the issues of men (such as the ones you listed ) are valid. But they don't personally affect me in the same way as some popular 'feminist' issues such as the wage gap. Thus I am more likely to personally focus on the issues that affect me first and foremost.

But if I say that the wage gap doesn't affect me and therefore I don't care about it as an issue, I get shouted down. What's the difference?

The wages gap is shocking anyway. No way should a sport person get paid more than a nurse but unfortunately that's what happens and I hope it changes! I really dont think it's a gender issue. More a massive inflated job issue and that is wrong.

Sorry Troll but your stats are not true. Almost twice as many men than women are the victims of violence - although they are overrepresented as perpetrators as well. Plus younger women earn more than men of the same age.