Bit victim blamey? And putting being attacked equal with being an attacker?

[JustBeyond]

That's my opinion, what do you think?

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Well it's really good to know having made the sensible decision to leave reasonably early relatively sober and to avoid perverted taxi drivers in their un- road worthy vehicles and walked home on my own that when I get attacked and my friends drive home drunk it's still all my sodding fault (and yours) isn't it kondos

Raises a good question too kondo. At what exact time does the witching hour begin when it's dark from 4pm!!

Two things about this. It's victim blaming the sister and it was a very unfortunate accident.

I'm not victim blaming anybody. The sister had no idea her sibling was going to turn up at her house. But the girl in question had a high level of blood alcohol which had put her at risk of hypothermia and had taken her shoes off and had no coat. Perhaps if she hadn't had so much to drink she might have been able to get help.

Her family begged other partygoers to take care after the inquest. I suppose that's victim blaming too? What do think they would think about warnings like this? Do you think they'd tut tut about victim blaming or wish perhaps their daughter might have had the same message and thought twice about walking home alone in freezing temperatures with no coat? And hope the same message gets through to other young people?

Honestly, I find this kind of thinking highly distasteful. Basically it looks at people who might fall victim to this sort of thing and could have been saved by warnings as collateral damage to satisfy their own political posturing.

I don't know but thank God we don't like any further north otherwise us womenfolk would have to give up work for the winter months and hibernate so that we can maintain our 'good-girls-don't-get-raped' status.

Live any further north, (I hate my phone)

When you are drunk you will make bad decisions and take risks you would not normally take. If you get attacked,..no, it is not your fault but would you put yourself in a risky situation sober?

Gotta

Is walking alone sober taking a risk?

I see someone in trouble and totally sober go to help them. I am attacked in the process.

Is walking alone sober taking a risk?

You cannot ever eliminate all risks. But some things are riskier than others.

The sister had no idea her sibling was going to turn up at her house.

So why did you mention it?

But the girl in question had a high level of blood alcohol which had put her at risk of hypothermia and had taken her shoes off and had no coat. Perhaps if she hadn't had so much to drink she might have been able to get help.

In what way could she have been able to get help if she was sober?

Is walking alone sober taking a risk?

Only as much as anything we do is a risk Elendon
but sober you are more alert to what is going on around you. You are also more able to protect yourself if you have to. That does not mean if you are attacked when drunk it is your fault. No one should attack you..ever!
I know IF I was ever unfortunate enough to be facing an attack. I would stand a better chance if I was sober and had my wits about me. I wouldn't rely on 'no one should attack me' because people DO get attacked and an attacker WILL target a drunk person more than they may a sober person.
It is common sense if you have any self preservation instincts.

Walking home at night is unlikely to end in rape or assault, possible but very unlikely. Removing a woman's right to move freely or making them feel responsible if they are attacked is a backwards step IMO. If women want to ensure their own sexual safety depressingly they'd be far safer if they avoided having boyfriends or getting married.

In what way could she have been able to get help if she was sober?

She would have not fallen asleep and taken her coat off?
She could have thought clearly.

The riskist strategy of all is to perpetuate the myth that victims are complicit in their attackers crime.

So how does one protect themselves against someone bigger and stronger who crept up behind them?

Drunk or sober I doubt I could out run many people.

There's a part of my journey home where there are no houses or anything that I could knock on so of I'd be jumped on there would be no where to go and no one to hear me. I don't see how being sober would help me there tbh

Did I miss the part in the campaign that said if you are a victim of crime because you disregarded what was on the poster they wouldn't investigate the crime or they would tell you it was your fault before they did anything?
It's common sense advice and surely your choice if you choose to heed their advice or not.

If women want to ensure their own sexual safety depressingly they'd be far safer if they avoided having boyfriends or getting married.

Yes 100%, I wonder if the Dorset Police would carry that advert?

It's not that they wouldn't investigate it. But many people wouldn't report because of the poster (you seen the "why I didn't report my assault" threads on here before?)

If women want to ensure their own sexual safety depressingly they'd be far safer if they avoided having boyfriends or getting married.

These sorts of things tend to be a tradeoff between freedom and safety. Never having a relationship represents a massive impingement on personal freedoms and ability to live a normal life.

I am guessing that those that give the advice do not see the loss of being able to walk home late while drunk as representing a big enough freedom-loss to outweigh the risks.

It's not victim blaming, it's about taking responsibility for yourself and not taking risks you usually wouldn't.

It works both ways too, the attitude shown towards the man who was sexually assaulted by three women including having scissors inserted into his anus is bloody appalling

www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/570073/Girl-gang-sex-attack-on-footballer-jail-time-bizarre-sex-assault-footballer-star

The riskist strategy of all is to perpetuate the myth that victims are complicit in their attackers crime.

This. Absolutely without a doubt. This.

By knocking on the door of neighbouring houses. By getting herself somewhere warmer (breaking into her sisters house if necessary). By calling the police. By thinking more clearly and being less susceptible to hypothermia so this didn't end with her taking off her coat and shoes and freezing to death in the middle of a housing estate.

This was a tragedy. But pretending it wasn't a tragedy fuelled by alcohol is madness.

She would have not fallen asleep and taken her coat off? She could have thought clearly.

She wasn't wearing a coat. A lot of young people don't do this. Cold could have sobered her up but at the same time made her not think straight. Those of advanced years die in their homes due to hypothermia. People die in their cars when stranded in the snow. They are sober.

Walking home alone could be more than being attacked when I was a teen a friend of ours decided to walk somehow passed out or fell asleep no one found her until she was almost dead, another girl a friend of my mums daughter fell over into the road couldn't get back up and was very nearly run over the driver luckily seen her and took her to hospital.

So how does one protect themselves against someone bigger and stronger who crept up behind them?Drunk or sober I doubt I could out run many people

Being sober won't guarantee you won't be attacked.
It doesn't mean you can protect yourself against someone bigger & stronger.
I can guarantee you could run faster sober..and you would be more alert to what is going on around you.
No,..you shouldn't have to be worrying about being attacked drunk or sober...but we live in a world where these things happen.
You may choose to take that risk when drunk, many do. I would rather look after myself and not increase the risk of harm...until someone can guarantee that no one will ever attack me.
It seems like a lot of women think that advice on keeping safe is an accusation of inviting an attack or being partly responsible. It is not. It is common sense based on the reality of the world we live in, sadly.

I guarantee you I could not run faster sober

No. On the fourteenth of September I got blotto. I somehow managed to end up in a rapists house where I was raped the next morning and violently assaulted. I do not know whether he also raped me the night before. The police never once suggested to me that it was my fault. He's the prick who will hopefully be jailed.
Had I had the sense to go home and not leave myself vulnerable to a predator, I would not be going through what I'm going through now.
Yes, it's shit that people can't just go about their business.
It's naive however to assume that you're not in danger when alone and drunk.