Bit victim blamey? And putting being attacked equal with being an attacker?

[JustBeyond]

That's my opinion, what do you think?

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M0ostly we can also bring up males (and those females who do sexually abuse others) not to rape people. Parents could concentrate on teaching their boys to respect women and to understand that they must clarify consent and understand that inroxicated people can not give consent.

BeyondIBringYouGoodTidings not really. He wasn't acquitted because his alleged victim failed to follow the safety advice on posters such as these, and his defence lawyer used that fact. Which is what was originally suggested by

This sort of poster is more like a "list of things that your defence barrister can use in court to get you off" than a genuine attempt to help the situation

we can also bring up males (and those females who do sexually abuse others) not to rape people. Parents could concentrate on teaching their boys to respect women and to understand that they must clarify consent and understand that inroxicated people can not give consent.
^ this would be a much more affective poster. Aimed a parents it could remind us to talk to our sons and daughters about consent. That may actually have an impact. Peddling the same old line 'don't walk home alone' I doubt would prevent a single rape.

I hate this current cry of 'victim blaming' in relation particularly to sexual crime and alcohol - and would genuinely be interested to know whether the people who use it don't take any steps to protect themselves or their property in other areas of life. (As others have said, using seatbelts, securing houses, keeping their purse/wallet firmly in sight, locking their cars all spring to mind.)

Yes, we all know we should be able to go about our business without theft or damage, but the fact is that we can't, so we take sensible steps to minimise risk.

People seem determined that when it comes to sex and alcohol, these rules go out the window. Their choice. Personally I'd rather be safe than be 'in the right' and have to deal with the consequences from at best a convenience front and at worst an injury/life changing stress or even death. I can't see why others don't do the same. If that puts me in the victim blaming camp, I can live with that.

I don't think it is victim blamey it is trying to get people to take responsibility for themselves

It is about recognising potentially unsafe situations and not putting yourself in it, at least without being aware of the consequences

Sexual crimes are different because they are massively under reported, under prosecuted and are much more likely to cause life changing self blame. If someone was beaten up in the street most people would openly talk about it. When someone is raped or sexually assaulted there is a cloud of shame.
I prefer to live my life not fearing a rapist or thief round every corner so to be honest I am pretty reckless with my processions on a night out and I frequently forget to lock my car door.

Whitney having been abused most of my childhood and ending up with ptsd I have allways been overly careful about safety of all kind.

Of course keeping safe is great advice for both men and women for so many reasons, but that's kind of stating the obvious. When I was at uni there was an advice leaflet in halls, about how females should not walk home alone, should nt accept drinks from strangers, should tie up long hair, and not wear too high heels. I didn't think too much of it at the time, it was good advice at how to keep yourself safe or so I thought- from my pov of a truama victim, who couldn't see any moment in life as anything other than a threat. The problem is this advice was gendered and clearly talking about how to keep safe against sexual assault. The advice for males- only to cross the road if walking towards a female on her own at night. Considering the stats on date rape at uni it would have been much wiser to have a poster saying females you allways have the right to change your mind and say no. Males don't rape women, don't sexually harass them, and know that intoxicated people can not consent and if you have sex with them that is rape, if you have mothers or sisters or grandmothers then think how they would feel if someone treated them the way you are thinking of targeting drunken vulnerable females, and think again. Because clearly in our culture this isn't obvious. While statistically it isn't all males who rape, and women do sexually abuse also, the culture is that a women's body is there for a man's satis faction, and we need to be clarifying a women's rights to bodily autonomy to males who may not have had the chance to learn that from other makes in their life, or from the women in their life who never got to learn this either

I don't see any problem with that advert. Perhaps it will make someone think about how much they drink and prevent them from punching someone, or raping someone. Surely that's a good thing?

The poster is just reminding people that getting pissed can have consequences "even if it's Christmas". It is better for a man not to get so drunk that he can't tell that the woman he has taken home really doesn't want to have sex with him.

It's not victim blaming to say that a sober person at a bus stop is less likely to be raped or otherwise taken advantage of than a person who has drunk her-(or him-)self unconscious. It's common sense.

If a man rapes a drunk woman, the man is to blame. All this poster is saying is that even when the man is convicted, the woman would probably still prefer that she hadn't been raped in the first place.

"Victim Blamey?"

Advising somebody to behave in a way that minimalises crime against them is not the same as blaming them when something does happen.

No one is blaming anyone, its about keeping safe.

It is also unknown how many thefts, assaults, injuries and rapes have been prevented or avoided due to sensible people taking such precautions.

Also we can't assume that everyone has the same level of intelligence as us and some people DO need reminding.

Snatched, do you really think a rapist is going to see a poster and think "ah, guess I won't rape today"?!

Bring wouldn't it be better to take precautions and avoid getting yourself in a dangerous situation, one that may affect you for the rest of your life?

I didn't say they were. I made a comparison. Have you deliberately misinterpreted, or do you just want to tell someone off?

I think the poster is fine.

We all have to take precautions against crime. Crime isn't the victim's fault. How many of you don't lock your car/front door at night? It wouldn't be your fault if you left either unlocked and they were robbed, but you'd try to avoid it by using locks. It's not about victim blaming. It's about common sense.

I think it's fine. This is coming from someone who likes a drink and has occasionally made shocking decisions or acted in a way I'm not proud of while intoxicated. I am lucky nothing bad has happened.

It wouldn't invalidate a crime but people should take responsibility for their safety.

But it's not stopping anything is it. All it changes is the person involved

It does nothing to address the fact it's gonna happen to someone

It does nothing to address the fact it's gonna happen to someone

So we shouldn't bother with safety reminders then?

Well that depends doesn't it...

If all your doing is shifting the problem onto someone else and not dealing with what's actually causing the danger then it's not a safety reminder is it. It's just thee to make a bunch of people feel better for doing fuck all about a problem cos they "warned the victins" and the victims basically have a list of everything they did "wrong"

what do you propose the poster should say?

Fuck the poster. Won't stop a rapist raping someone will it.

Won't stop someone's ditching their friend or stealing someone's phone.

Why don't we look at other things. Like the fact that you pull up and buy a packet of chewing gum and a tickets slapped on your windscreen in seconds.

Fish in the wrong place and you are arrested. Have they caught the bastard who robbed my friends house? Like fuck they have.

However despite pubs and clubs being open far far later than they ever used to be there's not a single person in sight... where are the police?

Alcohol measures have increased from 25ml to 35 mls

People are crammed in like sardines.

Cigarettes now have to be kept behind closed doors yet pubs and clubs flog deals in massive jugs or goldfish bowls of cocktails and on shots

Drink prices have increased so much that people pre load alot more.

Ultimately people are alot less worried about being caught doing something. There is no fear any more. Maybe a higher police presence would help?

Or at the very least make people realise just how serious some of these crimes are and what the consequences of that crime will be than rather than sticking them on a stupid poster linking walking home alone as much of a drunken misjudgement as raping someone or drink driving.

Think about it if a poster is the extent of someone's attempt to keep people safe anyone likely to get drunk and drive or sell drugs or rape a person is laughing.

Whereas a person walks into the station to report an Incident and there behind the desk is a piece of paper basically telling her she was the one in the wrong....

Walking home alone at night when pissed is dangerous. It has nothing to do with rape and everything to do with the obvious fact that intoxicated people end up falling (sometimes into water which is pretty bloody dangerous) intoxicated people heading home alone also do some other daft stuff such as having a sleep in a bus shelter while wearing thin clothing in January in the snow (again pretty bloody dangerous at 3am) not to mention the numerous ones located face down in totally unsuitable locations including bins/fields/other people's gardens. It's not 'victim blaming' to ask people not to get so wasted they end up putting themselves in danger.

Do you lock your cars, homes, chain bikes up....? Why? To prevent them being stolen/invaded? Of course you do. But going by the logic on here - that's just victim blaming. Shouldn't have to lock things up. Dose it not imply it's your own fault if stolen or home burgled and maybe you attacked by intruder? People shouldn't bloody steal so sod em, leave doors open and bikes propped up. If you really think a poster or someone advising you that walking home alone at night is a risk that you may wish to reconsider - well, time to stop locking valuables up surely? Like it or not - females are more vulnerable and walking home alone at night is a risk. One I take frequently. I take no offence at people pointing this out and nor do I feel they are judging me - just that they are expressing concern for my safety. We don't live in paradise. We live in a world of risk where it makes sense to take precautions against dangers.

I wish people would stop comparing someone's body or someone's life to a fucking car.

The main reason fir locking them is because of it did get nicked insurance would look for any reason not to pay out....

The fact is that if someone is going along watching to see if you locked your car or house or is walking along trying handles they were trying to steal a car anyway

Again locking you car might give you a reduced chance of it being yours.

However if the crime rate in an area is high why is that.

High rate of unemployment or poorly lit cos councils haven't been replacing bulbs. Low police presence or poor arrest /crime solving rates...

No security cameras

Amongst other reasons.

You cab padlock everything to within an inch of its life but the reason the crimes are happening are still there.

That's the point

Giles

Non of your opinions make sense. These aren't reasonable pieces of advice on keeping safe.

I still think the posters are a good thing, and if they help one person that has to be counted as a success.