Bit victim blamey? And putting being attacked equal with being an attacker?

[JustBeyond]

That's my opinion, what do you think?

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A lot of it sounds like common sense. I think the point is that sense is a lot less common when you've been drinking.

I've been sexually assaulted in a cab and attacked on a bus but never when I've walked home alone at night. I hate getting in cabs alone, I feel as though I have a chance on the street. I am obviously only one person but I feel the main reason I have been attacked is because men have chosen to attack me, even when I have "taken precautions". I live somewhere fairly safe now, though both of the incidents above were in London, and here most attacks on women seem to happen teatime or early evening. My main problem with the message is that it may put women off from approaching the police.

I agree dolly. Alone on a street feels much safer than close proximity to a (usually older, usually larger) man I don't know.

First day at university in big city on way to first lecture - walking down a busy street with people and cars around in broad daylight for 9 O'clock lecture- I got stopped by two policemen and told off for walking by myself.

It really threw me to say the least.

Ironically I then changed me route to one more students took which had far more incidents than that first morning route though often walked in by myself as it was that or not go. Ironically rarely saw police on that route.

I do wonder if people think you can always avoid walking round by yourself.

Having said that few occasions I have gone out drinking I walk home in a group or couple or more usually we get busses or taxis back. I'm much less likely to walk home alone after drinking.

So not sure about the message - but odd that walking home drunk legal if unwise activity then leads on to actively doing criminal acts.

I've walked home alone from the train station after a flight, short walk but nonetheless alone and sober. I had no option. I too much prefer it than pre booking a taxi.

Road safety, fire guards, firework safety etc are all clearly still important. Actually, candles burning and xmas trees going up on fire are doing the rounds on facebook at the moment. People do still die from these accidents. My nephew lost an eye because of a firework (picking it up the next day from the lawn!). Accidents happen. Re road safety for pedestrians, when I visited Tromso in Norway, the minute we stood by the pavement cars stopped. Pedestrians were given the right of way.

Being attacked is entirely different. These people who do it are nasty thugs and they are the ones who should be targeted. Not those who want to go out for the night and enjoy themselves. Usually groups do have a designated sober who has all the numbers or a designated parent if it is a group of teenagers. That's common sense.

A rapist is indeed a rapist whether drink is involved or not.

Round here several taxis were found to be in breech of license regulations or found to be not road worthy or not have signs or id displayed properly etc
..

By several I mean double figures.

So do I avoid taxis when drunk or take my chances walking home or what?

Or I guess I could go stay at a friends despite NOT KNOWING the family they live with....more strangers...

Wtf do I do

Guess I pretty much have no choice but to break every "rule" on the poster

I've walked home alone lots of times when I've been sober.

What are the alternatives? Being walked home by a man? Why is that safer?

Getting in a taxi? Ditto. We all know stories of women who have been raped by taxi drivers or by men (either friends or strangers) who have walked them home.

Being walked home by your friends? Well, yes, if they're around, but it means that at the end one friend is going to be left doing the last part of the journey on her own.

The police haven't thought this one through, have they?

I agree with all of it. It's not victim
Blaming in the slightest.

when the poster says you might not check for consent, get into a fight, all these are very specific precise issues that can happen if you are drunk.

With the walking alone, nothing is specific. It's like ANY issue that can happen when you are walking alone drunk(!!!) are then down to you because you shouldnt have done that.
So yes it can be slipping in ice, falling into the river. It's also being robbed, raped, etc etc...
Whilst you can argue that falling into the river would be your entire responsibility, I have a massive issue with the fact that all the others things that might happen to you (such as being assaulted) is also somehow becoming your responsibility. Because you were drunk.

Walking alone Is NOT in any shape or form an issue, drunk or not.
Going for a walk near a river when you are unsteady is.
Walking on icy pavement when you are unsteady again is.
Both of those problems can happen when you are not drunk (but unsteady for whatever reason, e.g. Illness or plain exhaustion) or if you are drunk but with other people (will they jump in the icy cold water to rescue you if you fall in the river do you think?)

The advice is too wide and unprecise to have any meaning IMO.
It's a shame because all the other commentsand esp the one about consent are vERY good IMO.

What even the consent thing doomf ?

Making it out to be some drunken misjudgement rather than the rape it actually is?

And I'm. Sorry but "would you let your friend drive drunk or high"

What are people responsible for their friends actions now? Wouldn't wrestling them fir their car keys he theft and fighting which the poster also states not to do?

We could call the police year but that person will still be on the road by the time they arrived...

Why is walking home alone at night necessarily anything to do with being attacked? Every year at this time of year there are always alerts because of missing young people. Very often it turns out that they've walked home alone and drunk and fallen into water or off bridges. There was a horrible case a few years ago where a girl froze to death outside her sisters house because she wasn't in after she'd been on a night out.

What are people responsible for their friends actions now? Wouldn't wrestling them fir their car keys he theft and fighting which the poster also states not to do?

Yes they are. Everybody is responsible if they knowingly let someone drunk or on drugs drive. If you can't talk them out of it you ring the police.

People should be able to walk alone. There is still an unsolved murder about a woman walking alone with her dogs. Should she not have done this? I see people walking alone all the time! It's ridiculous. My daughter has walked alone to go to town! Quick, I should call the police!

Someone drunk disregarding consent is a rapist, whether drunk or sober.

And yes, it's still better if they're stopped by the police after 2 miles than not stopped and cause an accident after 3 miles.

I'm sorry "let" ?

I can't imagine it's easy to hurl yourself on top of a grown a cult to stop them or fight them off whilst going through the heir bag/pockets.

Calling the police to report is a must but that won't stop them driving away that very second will it...

There was a horrible case a few years ago where a girl froze to death outside her sisters house because she wasn't in after she'd been on a night out.

Two things about this. It's victim blaming the sister and it was a very unfortunate accident.

There is no victim blaming in that.
It is raising awareness about personal responsibility.
It would be nice to live in a world where nothing bad could happen but we don't.
When you are drunk you will make bad decisions and take risks you would not normally take.
If you get attacked,..no, it is not your fault but would you put yourself in a risky situation sober?

It is about taking care of yourself, which is your responsibility more than anyone else's.

I am choosing now to walk home alone, drunk, tonight.

I will not be making a bad decision drunk, I am making a rational decision now and sober

I walk home late at night alone several nights a week...

I'd be walking exactly the same way alone if I'd been out drinking...

Who would know if I was drunk or not I can't walk straight anyway...

I'm confused Giles are you suggesting you would happily stand aside whilst your drunk friend drove home?

I'm saying there are limits to what people can do.

If I physically cannot grab the keys off them or they shove past me they are still driving fir as long as it takes the police to find them.

I would resent being accused of "letting" an adult do anything given they made the decision themselves and short of knocking them unconscious could not physically stop them.

Yes there are limits to what people can do. A publican can refuse drink and 'send them on their way'. A night out's do can involve the boss, who decides to take the car home. Would you call the police on your boss?

Of course I walk around at night on my own when I'm sober.

Night descends at held past fucking three in the afternoon and the sun doesn't go up till 8am.

Let's just hope no fucker rapes me when I go out for milk at 4pm because then it'll clearly be all my fault

Well quite, kondo!