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to dread opening a present from DH?

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olddogsnewtricks · 12/12/2016 09:06

For various reasons I usually only get one present at Christmas - small family, friends don't do presents, my parents normally get us a joint present, something practical. DH always gets me a present and it is usually something really bad - not bad in itself, but something that I have either said I don't want or nothing personal. (One year he got the same bottle of perfume for his aunt, me and a colleague). Basically his presents make me feel unloved and I have said I would rather not get anything than go through the embarassment of trying to pretend I like it - last year I felt completely humiliated as I burst into tears. I know this is a first world problem - and if it was anyone else I would just suck it up but I find it so upsetting that the person who I feel should know me (if not best than at least a bit) gets things so wrong.

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Monochromecat · 13/12/2016 07:17

I just find it quite 'spoilt brattish'.. 'I didn't get a nice present' and I honestly don't think it's any indicator of love!

snapcrap · 13/12/2016 07:22

It's very hurtful and thoughtless OP, I agree nothing to do with material needs or wants, just him showing he cares and that he listens to you and wants to make you happy.

As others have said, I'd either

a) Say I don't want a present this year and mean it. Maybe it will start a discussion

b) Buy him something generic and shit, like a shower gel/aftershave set that you'd buy for anyone - see if that garners any reaction

c) LTB

shovetheholly · 13/12/2016 07:35

"Well you'd think. But my father is an Oxford educated academic who can generally hear and understand words, in fact words are his speciality, and yet still can't buy decent presents even when he's been told exactly what to buy and the shop to buy it from. Inevitably something goes wrong."

This post really leapt out at me, because it expresses something really, really important, which is this: it's not about understanding words. We can understand every word someone has said, and everything about how they fit together syntactically, and still not "hear" them. The act of listening goes far, far beyond communication - it's about understanding the foundational emotional makeup of a person.

I'm sure you've all seen that blog about the guy whose wife divorced him because he left dishes out on the side. Now he fully understood when he was being asked to put them in the dishwasher - he comprehended every word of every reminder. BUT he didn't understand emotionally how it made his wife feel when he ignored her wishes, how invalidated she felt, and how it linked up with other areas of their marriage where she was unhappy.

Listening can't be reduced to the comprehension of language without losing what it's really about - taking the trouble to "see" the person in all their complexity!

And that's why buying crap presents can be hurtful for some, particularly when someone is overriding another's clearly expressed wishes. For some people, gifts don't equate to anything more than gifts. For others, a crap present stands in for something larger - it's not just an awful gift, just as the dishes left by the sink weren't just dishes left by the sink, but something that epitomises a more fundamental lack of recognition. There is no right or wrong way to be here - people are different in their attitudes to presents - what IS wrong is the act of not listening, or overrriding, or telling someone their attitude isn't the correct one because you happen to disagree with it.

Just to be clear: we aren't talking about money here. A great gift has nothing whatsoever to do with the amount of cash that is spent on it. Instead, we are talking about thoughtfulness, a care for others that opens a space for them and for a loving relationship with them.

StarlingMurderation · 13/12/2016 07:48

I just find it quite 'spoilt brattish'.. 'I didn't get a nice present'

Why is it always seen by some as "spoilt brattish" to feel sad at a lack of appreciation or thoughtfulness? It's not about the gift, it's about the clear lack of respect that the DH is showing the OP. I do sometimes feel like we're in a race to the bottom - it's like any desire for appreciation or cherishing is labelled as selfish and childish and pathetic. I suspect people say things like this because they don't get any appreciation so they think no-one else should.

olddogsnewtricks · 13/12/2016 07:59

I don't think I am being a spoilt brat to want the only present I get to be something I want - or even (lowering my standards) just not be something I have actually said I don't want. And it is definitely not about money - the best ever present my DH actually did get right was a book that cost about £15 that I really wanted. I was really touched that he remembered.

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NiceFalafels · 13/12/2016 08:08

It's very wasteful environmentally and financially to buy you stuff you're not keen on. Maybe you should get your own gifts?

Batmansunderpants · 13/12/2016 08:18

I understand wanting your DH to want to get something you like. I'm in the same boat. DH doesn't believe in giving adults gifts so I get nothing. I still buy for him as I like to give. It is a bit sad as I get no gifts at time of year.

LRDtheFeministDragon · 13/12/2016 08:21

I'm sure you've all seen that blog about the guy whose wife divorced him because he left dishes out on the side. Now he fully understood when he was being asked to put them in the dishwasher - he comprehended every word of every reminder. BUT he didn't understand emotionally how it made his wife feel when he ignored her wishes, how invalidated she felt, and how it linked up with other areas of their marriage where she was unhappy.

These are ridiculous excuses we make.

He understood.

He just didn't care enough.

I see so many posts on MN about 'how do I get him to listen' and 'how can I make him understand'. Why doesn't he 'see' dirt like I do?

Well, chances are, he does listen, understand, and see. But he doesn't care enough to actually do anything about it. And every time we make preposterous excuses, we normalise that, and we make it into a problem these poor, unfortunate partners suffer from, rather than recognising it as a lack of effort and consideration on their part.

crazycatzz · 13/12/2016 08:21

Years of experience has led me to now buy my own gift. No disappointment and I get what I want.

ManaFleet · 13/12/2016 08:22

I agree completely that he is the person who should know you best and his gift should reflect that. Even if he gets it wrong sometimes, thought needs to be evident. My DH has had some fails but I've always been able to see his thinking and therefore appreciate it. Deliberately getting things you don't want or like is very hurtful, as is clearly not bothering to think about it at all.

Unfortunately, whilst I sympathise 100%, I don't know the answer as you have already tried talking to him about it.

There are two ways of good present-giving: know for sure (usually by asking you or someone else) what would be welcome OR think about it properly and get something meaningful. Obviously the second way is more risky but often much nicer IF it's the gesture that matters rather than the actual item you need / want.

HandbagCrab · 13/12/2016 08:24

If you're not hard up I don't see why you should only get one present.

If your dh won't buy you what you've asked for, I wouldn't be doing the same for him. You need to have a proper talk about what constitutes appropriate presents and if he won't agree to buy you something you want in an reasonable timescale (not Xmas eve) do not buy him the slippers he wants!

Mn is full of posters who snipe at other women who would like fripperies such as a birthday card or an Xmas present from their husband. I think life can be sad and hard enough and a thoughtful present that puts a smile on the face of someone you love dearly is worth the small amount of effort expended in buying it.

shovetheholly · 13/12/2016 08:32

LRD - I absolutely didn't mean to excuse him by saying he didn't understand. To me, it's a fundamental duty to listen to your partner in this way and to meet their emotional needs. I do think, however, these threads suggest there is something culturally wrong with the way that we are raising sons, since so many men seem to be trapped in a selfish, individualistic pattern of behaviour in which their partner's needs are utterly deprioritised in favour of their own.

I absolutely see this as a feminist issue. So many women are not being "seen" by their partners, and expectations of men when it comes to the basics of care are ridiculously low. It's not on! There is a continuum here, to my mind, between the kind of disrespect shown by shit presents and the kind of attitudes to housework that we see expressed on thread after thread where women are shouldering more than their fair share.

Demand better, sisters of Mumsnet!

shovetheholly · 13/12/2016 08:33

(I suppose a better way of putting my original post would be to say "The guy with the dishes couldn't be bothered to make an effort to listen, to really understand what his partner was telling him")

Maltropp · 13/12/2016 08:48

Just adding to the list of unresponsive gift giving partners... "what would you like for Christmas?"....me:" cycling gloves, cycle computer, new bike lights, a hard drive for photos a bottle of x perfume ".... I. Got a coat he liked (because he thought it nicer than my practical for cycling and walking pushing a pushchair north face coat) and I didn't and was wildly impractical and trainers..... The things on my list were apparently " too dull ", realistically there wasn't a bike shop where he went to do last min shopping on x mas eve. Next birthday I wanted a pair of converse.... He knew this, he asked size and colour.... Got me wrong size and horrid colour unlike any of my suggested options as shopped in a panic the night before. It just left me feeling unloved and unlistened too.

Good luck OP

pklme · 13/12/2016 08:56

have you heard of love languages? that people express love in different ways?
you feel and express love through thoughtful gifts, and he feels and expresses love differently. have a think about how he expresses love for you- maybe in words, maybe in thoughtful deeds, maybe touch.

my dh totally doesn't get the gift thing. I don't bother overmuch with his anymore now, and know not to expect much from him.

if he doesn't express his love and appreciation in any way... that is different!

LRDtheFeministDragon · 13/12/2016 09:00

Sorry, my post was a rant, wasn't it? Blush

But yes, shove, I agree.

FurryLittleTwerp · 13/12/2016 09:00

My DH is quite good at presents, at least at the basic concept, but gets the detail wrong. He does occasionally splurge on random kitchen gadget that I neither want or need or have space for, which is less good.

He will drop little hints during the autumn about clothing items, handbags, organisers etc & I will respond, along the lines of "yes, that would be nice but please not another black one"

He will hear "Yes blah blah blah blah blah Black blah blah"

Every fucking time

He once bought me some expensive diamond & gold stud earrings, completely randomly, not Christmas or anything, & occasionally asks why I don't wear them & wishes that he'd bought himself something instead for the money Hmm

I don't wear gold, I never wear studs & my hair covers my ears. Confused

randomeragain · 13/12/2016 09:06

shove....i think I love you...your name.....your attitude....everything about you.

jellybeanteaparty · 13/12/2016 09:07

Years ago I came across a book called the 5 languages of love. It can be quite helpful for couples and families that people show and receive love in different ways and if yours are different from each you may not feel loved when you are very loved.
They are
Gift giving and recieving
Words said that are affirming
Doing practical things for you
Physical touch
Time spent with you

For example my DM does things for people to show love but pressies don't happen. When DC were small she would babysit and play with them for hours but give a weird xmas present (non age appropriate book) compared to my MIL who showers them with thoughtful lovely gifts but did not spend any time 1 to 1 with them.

I know in relationships we would like all these things in big portions but it can help a relationship if you realise your DP just doesn't show/receive love in that way but perhaps makes up for it in other ways. It can also then be talked through so you each make more effort in that area.

Good luck

dowhatnow · 13/12/2016 09:07

I don't understand the angst about the perfume for the three of you. It's a smell he presumably liked, therefore why not buy three lots of it? It's thoughtful in that he likes it and what is the point of three different presents if he doesn't know whether any of you you will like any if those either? How can he choose perfume specifically for you unless he knows your taste?

However, the first year DH and I got together and I received some hideous gifts, he was told in no uncertain terms that things had to change as it is a complete waste of money else. Now I either make sure he knows exactly what I want or I give him very very clear guidelines.

No point in not making enough fuss so that they repeat their mistakes.

shovetheholly · 13/12/2016 09:15

randomer - you made me go all warm fuzzy! Sitting a little taller now, even though I haven't had my coffee yet! Grin

And LRD - there is nothing, nothing wrong with a good old feminist rant! Grin I do like a bit of well-written polemic! And you were absolutely right to question what I wrote, I don't think my post was clear enough that I wasn't excusing these blokes in what I was saying!

Believeitornot · 13/12/2016 09:24

If in your relationship you have a tradition of giving gifts, then you damn well do it properly.

The OP's DH is not listening.

That's the issue here. He has been told what would be nice, yet he hasn't listened.

It's rude and disrespectful.

The answer isn't to buy something you like or tell him exactly what to buy - because that lets him off the hook and it will manifest itself in a different way. He should take the time to listen to his wife!

Believeitornot · 13/12/2016 09:24

I mean the answer isn't for you to buy something you like.

Gymnopedies · 13/12/2016 09:38

pklm my husband wants to shag all the time, is it OK for him never to get me a birthday or christmas present bc that's clearly his way to show love?

TheTantrumCometh · 13/12/2016 09:39

I understand why you're upset.

My DH is a bit hit and miss when it comes to presents (as am I) but I can always see the thought behind them. One year, back when we were 18 or so, he bought me something electrical I had wanted. I also had a lovely little pile of presents to open, too. One was an extension lead, the other was an aerial. Grin He thought I may need them to go with what he'd bought me, but why he decided to wrap them up and have me think I was getting something lovely I will never know. An extension lead is a truly shit gift, especially when I already had several, but I could see the thinking (albeit, completely wrong) behind it.

Conversely, my DSis was so ungrateful one year when her now exdh got her a couple of cooking books that she already owned. He'd clearly put thought into it, just didn't realise she already had them and she wasn't particularly nice about it.

But buying earrings when the OP doesn't have pierced ears, getting a generic gift that you've bought for two other people, and buying something she has specifically said she doesn't want is thoughtless and careless. Never mind the fact that he will know that this is the only present she is getting. It shows a lack of care and consideration that actually has nothing to do with the gift itself, but his attitude towards buying it.

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