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Am I being preciously here or am I being bullied at work

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user1481201979 · 08/12/2016 13:04

It's very subtle and I'm probably going to be told I'm ridiculous because it's so hard to explain with examples but i feel bullied by a work colleague.

So I sit on a desk either in the same office or one in the room opposite and he will often pop round and say hi. Several times a day he says hello and it's because of this that I feel I may be wrong to feel bullied and he does go out of his way to say hello so it would seem he doesn't actively dislike me personally. He will go into the other office to say hello when I'm not in his. He is socially confident so likes to chat at people's desk and in this respect doesn't act differently towards me.

But this is where the friendliness ends. He will actively,several times a week go round the office asking anyone if they want to go for lunch with him. But he won't ask me. I don't have a great desire to go but it's a rather obvious snub. It's literally everyone in the office except me and one person commented that he doesn't like going for lunch with me. I felt quite embarrassed. He regularly has house parties at his house but he will not invite me. He invites everyone in the office except me and he does it by asking them if they want to come when I'm not there.

He will get up to make a drink and will grab everyone's cup except mine and make them a drink. Sometimes he looks at me when he's making the drinks but never takes my mug.

He sometimes brings food in from home and he will offer some people it from the tin but never ever me. He just puts in on the side and asks me to help myself.

He was ordering food from his dads website at a discount and asked what people wanted but again, didn't ask me.

He asked everyone for their facebook but when it came to me he pretended he needed to add me for work when I know that's not the case. We aren't even allowed it at work.

In the beginning I would invite him along with other colleagues out for drinks and he would always decline. So he obviously doesn't want to be in contact outside of work which is fine. But I'm worried these invites made him uncomfortable.
I'm wondering if he took me the wrong way. It's now an open invitation and anyone who wants to come can. It's very popular but he never goes when I'm there and if he does he doesn't speak to me.

There will always be people at work we don't like. But he makes me feel excluded and bullied to be honest.
He has also made comments about me being the type of person who
would sleep with anyone although he did apologise several times afterwards

If I need to discuss work with him he will reply quickly to my first text but never ever any subsequent ones unless it's during work time.

He did get disciplined by the manager for not inviting me to his fundraising night so I was pleased the management had felt on that occasion the excluding warranted a discussion. That made me feel better and like I wasn't being paranoid.

I have never discussed this with anyone as I'm worried I will look ridiculous.

Nothing is going to change, I'm not even going to bother myself with why he's like this. I just need you to tell me I'm not being unreasonable and ridiculous. That being excluded, even if it's subtle things like this, is bullying and it's okay for me to feel upset by it.

There's more really, but I just can't explain it.

OP posts:
Dadstheworld · 08/12/2016 14:32

Do you ever make rounds and ask him?
Do you ever bring in food?

Maybe after the disciplinary issue and the inappropriate comment he's distancing himself from you, seems sensible really.

MilkTwoSugarsThanks · 08/12/2016 14:32

He's friendly in some ways. He always looks in my office to see if I'm in but only goes in if there are other people in with me. If I'm on my own he won't come in.

I agree with dingdong. I think he thinks that you fancy him and is going to great lengths to let you know that he's not interested.

FV45 · 08/12/2016 14:33

What about all the other colleagues? I presume this chap isn't the lunch boss. Why is it him who goes round asking everyone and why doesn't anyone say 'oh, what about asking User?'

What line of work is it that requires texting colleagues outside of work hours?

Aeroflotgirl · 08/12/2016 14:34

Dads he was disciplined for the same thing!

MilkTwoSugarsThanks · 08/12/2016 14:34

Some people seem to automatically think that everyone fancies them.

He's a bit up himself, but not a bully.

BarbarianMum · 08/12/2016 14:37

OK so he was spoken to for making unacceptable comments to you and since then has been avoiding any contact with you that could possibly be described as personal? To the extent that he didn't invite you to a works do that you should have been invited to, so got disciplined? Seems like he's trying to avoid any further trouble and still getting the balance wrong. Or maybe he's sulking and feels hard done by. You said he's socially comfidenmt, is he generally socially aware do you think?

Datun · 08/12/2016 14:38

I think he's making a very childish point for some reason. The sleeping around comment is a red flag. Could it be sour grapes? Did you decline an invitation at some point? Perhaps he was hoping you two could hook up and he's taken it as a rejection of some description. And is now making a point of ignoring you as a result.

user1481201979 · 08/12/2016 14:41

He's always been this way. Well before any disciplinary action.

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Aeroflotgirl · 08/12/2016 14:43

It sounds like he was treating her unfavourably from the very beginning. She has only been there a year, other new starters have arrived and there are no problems with them. He might not like you, or whatever, but his behaviour is very unprofessional and should be taken to management. Log all incidents of this.

Aeroflotgirl · 08/12/2016 14:46

For whatever reason, he does not like op. She said in the beginning, when she went out with work collegus, she would invite him, but he declined always. But to behave unprofessionally at work, to the point it is blatantly obvious and others are noticing, is not acceptable. To organise a work fundraiser and op be the only one not invited, is unacceptable and unprofessional.

PrivatePike · 08/12/2016 14:46

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mydietstartsmonday · 08/12/2016 14:47

Stupid arse.
He either fancy's you rotten or he is pained not to give you the wrong impression. He may have been teased about you, you being the only eligible female of his age!
The sleeping around is outrageous and he should be disciplined.
The rest I think you should rise above it. When he doesn't make you a coffee, jump up and oh yes I fancy one thanks!
Make him squirm.

dingdongthewitchishere · 08/12/2016 14:48

I am still not sure why you need to text him...

creakyknees13 · 08/12/2016 14:48

I think he sounds quite messed up. I would avoid being alone with him if that would ever happen. He obviously has strong, conflicting feeling about you. I am not sure whether he 'fancies' you in the traditional sense. It maybe that you embody what he dislikes about women or something. It might be that he feels socially awkward and knows that he could never have you, so resorts to insulting and humiliating you at work as a way to assert power. If I were you, i would stop being 'bubbly' around him. Do not take lack of invitations to heart and, if at any time, he oversteps the line by calling you a slag or something, go straight to management. He sounds so weird that I wouldn't WANT to be his friend and would therefore not bother to be friendly to him and ask him what was bothering you.

BarbarianMum · 08/12/2016 14:50

Which actions to log though? OP needs to work out carefully which are the problem behaviours. I don't think "He never asks me to eat lunch with him" or "He only responds to my texts in work time" are legitimate disciplinary offenses, neither is "He won't come and chat with me when I'm by myself." Even if these things add to a bigger picture. Things like the tea-making are legitimate if the OP is consistently singled out.

ChasedByBees · 08/12/2016 14:53

All those saying that this isn't bullying, come on, all it takes is a simple Google. It is. It's subtle and harder to challenge but this guy is not being so subtle about it.

m.acas.org.uk/index.aspx?articleid=5879

Bringbackpublicfloggings · 08/12/2016 14:53

It does sound like he fancies you

user1481201979 · 08/12/2016 14:56

There's a million examples. I can't say them all
It would take forever. But there isn't more. And these little examples don't give the full picture.

OP posts:
BarbarianMum · 08/12/2016 14:56

Social bullying at work is more being left out by a group of people though, isn't it ? I'm pretty sure I'm not obliged to go for lunch with colleagues I don't get on with, or answer texts on my day off so as not to be classed as a bully.

TheWildRumpyPumpus · 08/12/2016 14:58

Has he ever made you a drink? Do you offer to make ones for other people or would you prefer to just get your own (I always skipped the tea round at work, too much hassle!). If you actually want to be part of the 'group' I guess you should get up first and ask what everyone wants, including him.

The only thing you listed that would really bother me is the comment be made, totally unacceptable.

ChasedByBees · 08/12/2016 14:59

I think the fact that he asks every person except OP for lunch could count though. If he generally only asked his one or two workplace BFFs, fine. Asking everyone but one person that he excludes in a number of other ways to the extent that others comment on it - not fine.

BarbarianMum · 08/12/2016 15:02

I read the OP's post as saying that he asked other people to eat lunch with him on an individual basis (Bob one day, Sue the next type of thing) not that he invited everyone to eat lunch together except her. But of course if he did that it would be totally awful bullying behaviour.

Dadstheworld · 08/12/2016 15:02

Aeroflotgirl

I assumed the disciplinary was for non invitation to a work function. I don't think you can force someone to invite you to lunch.

shovetheholly · 08/12/2016 15:05

I don't think this sounds subtle at all - it sounds like he's attempting to exclude you in a rather obvious way. I agree, the idea that you might be interested in him sexually might explain his behaviour. Is there any history between you? Where did the comment about you being willing to sleep with anyone come from? That doesn't sound like usual office banter.

You can't win 'em all. I'd mention it to your line manager so there is an official record in case anything further should happen, but then shrug it off. It's not like you want to go for drinks or lunch with him.

Graphista · 08/12/2016 15:15

Chasedbybees I was about to post same link.

This kind of bullying is something I've experienced. No you're not going to like everyone you work with BUT you don't behave like this!

Op you certainly should have reported the 'sleeping around' comment. That I would think would constitute sexual harassment.

The fact he was disciplined what sounds like quite promptly suggests to me the company already know this guy is a problem.

I'm wondering if there's been previous bullying/sexual harassment (avoiding being in a room alone with you, the sleeping around comment, excluding based on perceived sexual availability possibly) complaints been made about this guy?

Speak to line manager, keep a log of what happens (no you wouldn't need to keep a record of every time he excludes you from the tea round but you would log 'permanently excludes me from accepted office courtesies')

Creating a hostile work environment is a form of harassment and can be used as grounds towards dismissing someone. The person who bullied me was fired on this basis after I left (I was her 2nd victim but the 1st never made a formal complaint just left for a new job) as she did it to others too. It was hard for the company to get rid of her as this type of insidious behaviour is difficult to prove, took them about a year but it happened.

She then tried to take an unlawful dismissal action against them unsuccessfully.

You don't have to put up with this.