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The man in the garden centre (staff) kissed me...

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NobblBobbl007 · 07/12/2016 09:18

Yesterday I was just stunned, today I feel more uncomfortable like I should have asserted my boundaries. Tell me what you think?

Back in the summer a young member of staff started chatting to me in my local garden centre. I didn't know him from adam but he said he recognised me from my frequent visits there. We got talking and he asked me how my garden is? It was literally chest-high in weeds as I'd had a large extension added and it had been neglected for two years. He went on to tell me how he adored gardening and would love to help me get the plot back into shape again. A week later having thought about it, I went back to the garden centre and asked if he was serious about helping me (he said he was) and I asked what his daily rate would be? He resolutely refused to accept any money saying it was against his managers rules that staff take paid employment elsewhere in their time off but that he'd still love to help me for free and that there was nothing more satisfying than seeing a neglected plot turned around. I thought the ££ a bit Confused but anyway we arranged a day. The day came, all was well, we both worked very hard, no funny business. At lunchtime I took him to a local (posh) cafe and treated him to whatever he wanted. When the end of the day came around, it was apparent he was fond of me but absolutely NOTHING happened. No innuendo etc. I'm 10yrs older. He told me he lives with his girlfriend. So I go to offer him some money because he did work really hard and again he refuses. So he leaves & that's it finished.
Then, roll on yesterday & I go to the garden centre to price up xmas trees (we're talking probably 6 months later). And there he is assisting with trees. The place is busy. I briefly check out the prices whilst he serves someone else, he nods & smiles hello. I leave that area and go inside to check out the decorations. Now in our garden centre, staff usually stay put in their 'zone'. Next thing I know I get a tap on the shoulder, he's come inside looking for me. He shifts from one foot to the other, slightly shy but with a big beaming smile on his face and then lunges forward to embrace me and kiss both cheeks! It all happened so fast I kind of went along with it. But I was taken aback. I sort of smiled back and said 'yes hello' etc but I was stunned. It was like he'd made his mind up to kiss me, never mind my personal boundaries. The whole thing was over quickly because he had to get back to his area. But today I feel uncomfortable about it. Had I been stronger I could have rebuffed that kiss - it overstepped the mark. But then it's only a kiss and it wasn't like he snogged me or anything. Today I just have that feeling that he wanted to be that intimately close to me & that he could achieve it with an 'innocent' hello kiss. It sounds so stupid, it was only a double cheek kiss, it's just the way it was done, sort of purposefully & forceful. It wasn't the light sort of 'air kiss' your gay interior designer might give you. Thankfully I don't have to go back there again so that's an end to it. AIBU?

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NavyandWhite · 07/12/2016 09:24

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Bluntness100 · 07/12/2016 09:24

Well I don't see an issue with this, because basically everyone I know kisses on both cheeks in greeting, from friends to work colleagues I have not seen for ages. Even my next door neighbour does it when I see her. I even have work colleagues who do it three times. And yes some are quite purposeful and some are just air kisses.

I guess it's what you're used to and for you if that's a boundary issue then possibly he wasnt aware of that and was just being friendly. As you said it wasn't a snog and he was in his place of work. I think you're over thinking it maybe because of your own boundaries where this isn't acceptable to you?

Ahickiefromkinickie · 07/12/2016 09:27

Double cheek kissing is very common in my industry and family so I wouldn't find it weird necessarily (though I don't like it at work).

I'm a bit confused as you say you would have been fine with an innocent hello kiss...do you mean an air kiss?

It's absolutely not right that he was 'forceful' with you.

I wouldn't go back there either.

Wookiecookies · 07/12/2016 09:28

I am so confused with this post, so you invited a random man you met at a garden centre, to come to your home and work for you for free. Then see him again 6 months later and basically expect him to stay in his 'zone' and leave you alone?
Kiss or not, I'm not sure he is the only one in this story with boundary issues OP.

TheWitTank · 07/12/2016 09:32

Agree with Wookiecookies.

livefornaps · 07/12/2016 09:34

Oh God. Clearly he thought this was a "Love Actually" love among the Christmas trees sort of moment.

PerspicaciaTick · 07/12/2016 09:35

It sounds like he thought he was your friend and hadn't realised you viewed him as unpaid staff.

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DearMrDilkington · 07/12/2016 09:37

Shock You shouldn't invite strangers from the garden centre to help you with gardening! Especially if they don't want to be paid for it, sounds dodgy as hell, your lucky he didn't steal anything from you.

Avoid the garden centre in future!

Bluntness100 · 07/12/2016 09:38

I'd have to agree, getting him to come to your house and do your garden for free and then complaining he kissed your cheeks by way of hello is maybe a bit out there. I know you offered payment but you probably knew he wouldn't accept it and you did go back specially to take him up on his offer. Which is a bit hmmmm.

I wouldn't assume a kiss like that by way of greeting is a sign someone is gagging to be intimate with me, as for me it's fairly standard greeting. But then I would not have taken up the offer for the gardening either, if I couldn't have done it myself I'd have hired someone specially.

Wookiecookies · 07/12/2016 09:38

Navy agreed, I am confused at the OP's expectations of him, so he must be completely baffled!

Finola1step · 07/12/2016 09:40

He thinks you are friends and he clumsily welcomed you when he saw you.

You think he is some lad who did a bit of unpaid work for you a few months ago.

I don't see anything sinister in this.

HarpyFishwifeTwat · 07/12/2016 09:40

Do we all have gay interior designers who give air kisses? Or am I missing out?

tiej · 07/12/2016 09:43

He sounds a right little sweetie.

daisychain01 · 07/12/2016 09:44

I don't think you should have got involved with him. It was inappropriate unless you wanted to develop the relationship either as a mutual friendship or something more involved. Leaving him in limbo meant the situation was left dangling on a thread without a clear end point.

Bluntness100 · 07/12/2016 09:47

Harpy, you're missing out, I have several 😝

WorraLiberty · 07/12/2016 09:51

To be honest, I think your own boundary issues are far more blurred than his.

It's taking the piss inviting someone to put a day's work in, knowing they're not allowed to take payment.

Why didn't you just pay someone to help?

WRT his double cheek kiss greeting, I can just about muster up a 'meh'...

IntendedParent · 07/12/2016 09:51

You are definitely being unreasonable. He obviously thought of you as a friend from a while ago. You see him as just staff, who should stick to his zone. You're the one with boundary issues I believe - you should never of allowed him over in the first place for free. That's unfair and taking advantage of a clearly thoughtful young gentlemen.

mindthegap01 · 07/12/2016 09:52

Harpy - yes, that's what I wondered! Sounds like we're both missing out Xmas Grin

OP, I honestly wouldn't be that bothered I don't think. For what it's worth I think it was really dodgy to invite a stranger to do unpaid work at your home. It's one thing to call in manual labour favours from friends and family in exchange for a nice lunch, but getting a complete stranger to do it is just weird.

It's not hard to find a paid gardener if you need one! I had a load of stuff I needed clearing from my garden. I posted it on my local facebook page and within the hour I had 5 people clamouring for the job.

Laiste · 07/12/2016 09:52

HarpyFishwifeTwat - ''Do we all have gay interior designers who give air kisses? Or am I missing out?''

Why harpy darling, of course we do! Do you really not?

Here's some air kisses from me my lovely: mwhaa, mwhaa Grin

Laiste · 07/12/2016 09:53

Oh mindthegap! - mwhaa mwhaa for you too Grin

Italiangreyhound · 07/12/2016 09:53

I think it is all very strange. You inviting him to do your garden, taking him out to lunch and him trying to kiss you hello.

I think the only thing to learn is not to invite random strangers to your home for any reason. Not to accept free work from people you don't know.

And yes, next time (if there ever is) a next time someone tries to kiss you just step backwards or sideways, (if safe to do so) put your hands up in the flinch movement and say something like 'oh that's a bit too close for me'. Feel free to smile as it will diffuse the situation (feel free not to smile if the situation feels threatening!). Feel free to do what is natural to you!

This may sound funny but I get this type of thing sometimes! I am a Christian and there are often some quite unusual blokes on the fringes of churches, they are nice enough but some with special needs or whatever. Because we have 'the peace' in church we all go around and shake hands in the break. Lots of people air kiss or kiss on cheeks for people they know well, and for people they love (husbands, kids etc).

So some of these blokes sometimes feel it is OK to do this too. It is all pretty innocent but I don't like it so I make sure that I just shake hands, nothing more. I am prepared to look silly or over the top in not wanting unwanted physical touch. It is best for men to know this is not OK.

CaraAspen · 07/12/2016 09:55

What a weird OP. Kisses like that sound horrendously threatening I must say. As for all the unpaid work, I would be really uncomfortable with that.

Italiangreyhound · 07/12/2016 09:59

PS I should say for accuracy there are men in my church who do have special needs and do not over step boundaries so not trying to categorize all men!

GinIsIn · 07/12/2016 10:02

I really don't get what you are trying to imply - he kissed you hello in a friendly and non-sexual manner, having been to your home and worked for you for free? Is that it? Confused