To wish some parents would show a bit more consideration to others

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On a train with a splitting headache after work. There's a family nearby and the child is watching a cartoon on an ipad. Not an issue as such but the ipad is at full volume and no headphones are being used. I know that it must be nice for the kid to be occupied for are while but it's a full train of other people. Surely it would be considerate to use headphones/keep the volume low?

Oh God no Op YANBU

On the bus a few weeks ago and a child had a tablet blaring the hell out of it the whole journey long . I did not say anything but wanted too . Not like earphones cost a fortune is it ?!!

I have seen ipads used to entertain children on a train, without headphones. I always try and get a seat in the quiet carriage, but not always possible. Not all services have them, and some trains are very busy so you have to take what you can get.

My children have to use their ear phones to manage their disability and how it effects their ability to tolerate others noise. Why should an adult who presumably has more understanding and no learning dis abilities not take steps to manage this by wearing ear defenders or headphones? Why do my vulnerable young children who have multiple disabilities have to adjust but others don't.

Others irritating conversatons and accents are much worse ime, the effect my adhd much worse than a liberal noise like a carton or music. I suspect that maybe similar for children with similar disabilities.

Previously children and adults with disabilities have not been accepted as a normal part of society. Equalities act, reasonable adjusentents, growing awareness mean less children with disabilities are 'hidden away' or shamed into not accessing normal opportunities that others take for granted.

That said op nothing unreasonable with asking them to turn it down a bit.

Meant they wear ear defenders to manage, they can't tolerate noise coming out of ear phones, must be a very different sensory experience for them.

And I meant linear noise not liberal

Irritating accents? Really?

Did the guard come through the train? I'd ask him/her to have a word

I tried that once, when a child was allowed to watch some cartoon at hellish volume in a quiet carriage ... and was told that they weren't allowed to intervene in case they put themselves in a dangerous situation

The irritating accents will be a sound issue. Not any sort of judgment. The same way my son gets upset by high pitched voices.

Although the disablism discussion is interesting and valid, in all likelihood this child did not have sn. They might have done of course, but it is much more likely their parent/s were just inconsiderate arseholes and it's ok to have a moan about that!

Changling, what about an autistic child who cannot tolerate ear defenders, being subjected to another child's cartoons? The other child does not have to watch the cartoon with full sound on. The parent needs to show more consideration to other passengers, regardless of the child's disability.
It is possible to say 'no' to an autistic child. There are plenty of things that I would never allow my autistic children to do on a train - this is just one of them.

Some kid was watching episode after episode of Peppa Frickin Pig in Cafe Rouge last week, I refused to even be seated and walked right back out and said why in earshot of the parents.

MadHattersWineParty, how did you know they were watching episode after episode of Peppa Pig if you refused to even be seated and walked back right out?

Because, I was taken right next to their table, where the horrid clinky Peppa music was playing, and said kid exclaimed 'ANOTHER ONE COMING ON MUMMY'

So I deduced, episode after episode, and opted out.

Maybe he meant a trump?

Although, leaving was probably still the right decision

Yep I find higher pitched accents really harsh, like nails on the black board. Like pp said it's no judgement, but lots of condos in lots of differing accents are hell for my attension span

And I said pp would be totally reasonable to ask them to turn it down.

Some kids with asd maybe unable to tolet are ear defenders, some maybe unable to tolerate ear phones& no noise. Great yours can and you can tell them it's either or, some can't cope with this. Personally I wouldn't use trains because of this, but then I am lucky enough not to have to.

Francis both are not easily achieve able. They maybe for some children with disabilities but not for others, mine would understand & cope with that, but then they can't cope with sit ting still so if we HAD to use trains for a famIly funeral or hospital appointment or other compulsory things we would cause a different form of havoc.

Presumably as an adult you have the capacity to understand, where as some children with disabilities won't. If my children can use ear defenders where others noise upsets them surely an adult can manage also.

Are you seriously arguing that everyone should wear (or at least have with them) ear defenders on the train constantly in case a child wants to watch an annoying programme?!

I agree that parents get a bit immune to the noise of their child ('oh, he's just babbling', while everyone else's head quietly explodes with irritation), and I think they also get used to toddler's TV! If you're not used to it then it really is up there in the most annoying possible sounds.

Francis - What you are asking of my son, given his level of disability, is not reasonable.

I didn't suggest or imply that, good on you for twisting it.

Pp said she shouldn't have to wear headphones, so I pointed out that my young vulnerable disabled children have to wear them to manage their disability - I don't go around telling everyone else to be quiet because of my children's disabilitues- so why shouldn't an adult who knows migraines or tinnitus can come on due to noise be expected to manage it.

There's a compromise obviously, I said ask them to turn it down, but if that's too much & sets off migraines then it's reasonable to carry ear defenDersingham r noise cancelling head phones the same way I carry sunglasses even in winter because the sun sets of my migraines

I think people with extreme sensitivity to noise, who are able to tolerate ear defenders, should wear them, if it will enable another disabled person to stay.

It is bloody rude but there is a vocal group on Mumsnet who think if we mind we are all old disablist farts who are jealous of their ability to shut up their child by letting them stare gormlessly at Peppa Pig for 2 hours.

just wear bloody headphones its not rocket science.

kid who can't survive without telly should have to wear headphones I mean. Not me, I have the old fashioned idea that sometimes its nice to look out of the window and think. Or read a book in relative peace and quiet. Seems to be a completely dying attribute.

i don't have migraines. I just hate the noise of squawking toddlers telly. I'd rather a noisy toddler.