To not understand how anyone would go to Dubai

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A woman reports being raped, and is promptly arrested for having non-marital sex. And this isn't the first time. How can anyone choose to go to such a savage, uncivilised place?

news.sky.com/story/british-woman-arrested-in-dubai-after-reporting-rape-10660134

Would never visit. Spot on Ifailed

Goes without saying this country isn't perfect either. There is a long way to go for women everywhere.

A lot of preconceived ideas on the place and we are only 2 pages in! Homosexuality is illegal yes. Not the only country in the world to make it so. Not right by any standards, but not the only one. Malaysia is no better.

A woman can divorce her husband just as equally as a husband. Not quite why you think this is not the case. Sure, it's going to be harder for her if she doesn't have the support of her family, but most of the do. Not that much different from working class UK and Ireland not that long ago.

This was a 3rd world country 30 years ago. Mainly built on the back of immigrants. Not too unlike New York 100 years ago by the Irish, the English, the South Americans. I agree, they need to up their game on the way they are treated, but so much has been done. Probably far quicker than the USA did all those years ago.

You are right. It is not a democracy. But how far has that got us in the western world recently? Keep on tub thumping if it suits you!

Ok, don't go there on holiday then. However, if their human rights record shocks you to the extent I'm reading about here, surely SOMEONE will be fighting the good fight to bring women's lib to the UAE?

No? Rather sit and sneer at a whole other country you know nothing about at a safe distance while doing nothing to help the disadvantaged people there? Fair enough.

I would guess that babybarrister means child abusers and rapists and domestic abusers whose children have experanced physical harm being placed in their custody and then deprived of a relationship with the safe parent

No, this country isn't perfect in many respects. It's sheer Whattaboutery to compare the UK with a slave state like Dubai though.

OP do you also refuse to visit India, Africa, South Africa and parts of America because of their human rights laws? Or do you just despise Dubai because it attracts a "type" of people you choose to look down your nose at?

Yanbu.

It's a God-awful place.

I have always felt safe

Well that's ok isn't it! No rape in dubai because you have always felt safe.

I have always felt safe in london. Doesn't mean bad things don't happen to people. At least in London you can report rape to the police without being imprisoned for extramarital sex.

Ruthsmumkath has just shown us the written equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and going la la la.

I will never go to Dubai. Never. Quite happy to get on my moral high horse about that.

There is going to be much more to,this story than is just reported in tabloid trash newspapers. But believe what you,will. I have lived here more years than I would care to admit. I have known a girl who was raped here in her 20s. And this was certainly NOT how it was dealt with by the police, the embassy or anybody else involved. But believe the worst if it suits you.

So where will you be happy to go, op? Please can we have an internally consistent list?

India, Africa, South Africa and parts of America - I wouldn't visit any of these countries either.

I wish more UK citizens - like the ones who went on a holiday there and then raped a woman - stayed away.

YABU imo.
I've lived in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia: visited Dubai.
Not all things are fabulous in western countries: these Arab countries have fabulous family values, are incredibly safe, fascinating historically and culturally. Yes, the criminal justice systems are in some aspects atrocious. When you visit anywhere you have to be culturally sensitive. When you work in other cultures you can cause change in your immediate vicinity.
Certainly not for everyone, fine if you choose not to go to certain places but it certainly opens your mind if you do.

Sorry to derail but what issue do people have with South Africa? On paper at least it has one of the most progressive constitutions globally.

There are lots of cases of (Arab) men who have raped (western) women who have served significant prison sentences whilst the woman has simply been treated as the victims they are.

I've no ideas re the details of this case and I'm not claiming that this woman being treated appallingly is unique but this is not standard practice in UAE.

Ugh my SIL and BIL go there as often as they can as they love the glitz and love being treated like royalty as they love to flash the cash. Their FB feed is full of them sitting around being waited on, smoking hookah pipes and pretending they are the kardashians.

It looks a vile, soulless place.

Nothing against South Africa since they stopped apartheid. 17 years ago?? Not a great record TBH.

Nothing against South Africa since they stopped apartheid. 17 years ago?? Not a great record TBH.

But they're a democracy now. A flawed one, yes, but a democracy.

Those lovely hotels are built on the bodies of dead workers, figuratively and literally.
Justify it anyway you like if you go there and spend money you are supporting this exploitation. Assuage your conscience anyway you like, other countries are worse, the UK has problems too, whatabouthosepeopleover!

SA democracy is 22 years old not 17. So its probably okay to visit by now

I suspect the apologists for the UAE have long since settled their conscious about the appalling double standards they enjoy, little point in engaging with them on here - they are well practised in denial.

And the sky skrapers of NY were built on a bed of roses??

I suspect the apologists for the UAE have long since settled their conscious about the appalling double standards they enjoy, little point in engaging with them on here - they are well practised in denial.

Well, yes. They can live in their little enclaves, and fuck everyone else.

And the sky skrapers of NY were built on a bed of roses??

Truly, you must see the difference between a building boom in a democracy and a slave slate?