To not understand how anyone would go to Dubai

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A woman reports being raped, and is promptly arrested for having non-marital sex. And this isn't the first time. How can anyone choose to go to such a savage, uncivilised place?

news.sky.com/story/british-woman-arrested-in-dubai-after-reporting-rape-10660134

Yanbu I wouldn't go to Dubai the human rights there are atrocious.

Countries with the worst Human Rights Violations: Nigeria, Yemen, Myanmar, North Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Pakistan, Congo, Sudan, Syria.

Make sure you knock those countries off your list too.

Countries with the worst Human Rights Violations: Nigeria, Yemen, Myanmar, North Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Pakistan, Congo, Sudan, Syria.

Make sure you knock those countries off your list too.

Shouldnt be too difficult. I dont think there is much tourism there. Or did you also check tourism in these places?

It is different if this is your homeland, as you will most likely be with locals and know how to stay safe.

I have been to several of those places. Unfortunately a lot of them are now war torn. And being interfered with. Mostly by the west. Which doesn't really have any interest to stabilize these countries as war suits their agenda better. Nice attitude.

Laughingcamel I live there. Have done for nearly 4 years. 2 years in Jeddah, coming up for years in Riyadh. Why?

And how is it, with Human rights and all, that Saudi Arabia and China still hold sets on the Human Rights Council in the UN? Nothing at all to do with power or money?

Fascinating replies, thank you.
I haven't tried Uxbridge yet for a holiday, will have to look on Trip Advisor :)

Where do I go? Somewhere where I can experience a real natural environment and not piles of concrete, and where the government subscribes to full human rights.

Sorry but I don't accept the suggestion that Dubai and similar places haven't had long enough to catch up. They haven't had any trouble catching up with every modern convenience, national airlines etc. Importing a few lines of human rights legislation and training authorities to follow them wouldn't take very long.

Veiledsetiments As has been said many times on this thread just because human rights are abused in Afghanistan does not mean what happens in the Gulf States does not matter.

I would not visit any of the sites you listed.

The treatment of (among others) migrant workers in many Gulf States is shameful. Therefore I would not visit them.

I don't think I'm going to miss out there Bitoface. Best stick to the utterly perfectly democratic west then on your jollies.

Somewhere where I can experience a real natural environment and not piles of concrete, and where the government subscribes to full human rights.

I personally love Portugal, Japan, South Korea, Canada, Sweden, Iceland, Switzerland, the North of Germany, South Africa and France (I love the Bretagne). And obviously Scotland ;)!!

I'm not saying other countries aren't beautiful. But these are the countries I've had the best experiences with (I used to live in some of them and they're my favourite holiday destinations).

The countryside is stunning :)

Veiled "Best stick to the utterly perfectly democratic west then on your jollies." You say this based on what evidence about me?

Have you checked out those websites yet?

Also, I haven't seen your response to the point that being a new country means you can abuse human rights. Lots of new countries don't.

Spunkymummy,
I agree with you on most of those!
Haven't tried S. Korea yet though.

"Best stick to the utterly perfectly democratic west then on your jollies."

Well, at least we wont risk imprisonment on blasphemy charges and possible beheading for offering a local a drink of water, or on adultery charges for fornicating in an alley (against our wishes) when we are on "our jollies".

What do you think us westerners DO on holiday? Just lay around naked having sex and drinking booze? Some do, but most of us prefer to just chill with our families, go to museums, watch a show, visit a theme park with the kids, eat good food with a glass of wine or two, sunbathe as many of us are from countries with little sunshine.

Apologies if this seems a silly question, but what is there to actually do in Dubai? Apart from shopping and sunbathing?

I've decided to stop going to countries where I don't feel welcome as a woman so YANBU not to go yourself but it's a bit unreasonable to judge other people for having different opinions...

Old....I can only reply what is there for a holidaymaker; I don't know about living there. The usual 'city break' stuff like bars, restaurants, sightseeing (if you are interested in buildings, city planning, modern infrastructure, engineering projects). The creek , where you used to see TVs etc piled up en route to Iran, the dunes nearby where they have tourist stuff like bbqs in desert camps, arabs riding on stallions. Day trips to Abu Dhabi. Sporting pursuits - horse racing and other events are held there. There's a shooting club. Golf. Water parks. Skiing indoors. Shopping malls. You can use it as a stopover en route to the Maldives and other places.

I understand why people go, but I think where the moneyed educated westerners live is akin to a film set, and about as real in wider terms. You couldn't pay me to visit or work there.

Thank you bored and itsmine.

What would bother me/not appeal to me too would be the lack of greenery, all that sand would feel claustrophobic!

Old. You are right there.

Ifailed- fantastically put. Thank you. And as for certain people saying that unless I have actually been there,I don't know what I am talking about,no,I haven't been there,and never will. But my BIL and a friend have worked there in the past,and both say the same thing. It is,on the surface 'very glitzy and 'very nice'. But dig deeper and you for overwhelming evidence of shocking attitudes towards women,homosexuality and human rights in general.

And how is it, with Human rights and all, that Saudi Arabia and China still hold sets on the Human Rights Council in the UN? Nothing at all to do with power or money?

Did anyone question that the world is ruled by money?

Please.

Some things are just blatantly obvious. Such as the fact that Germany still sells weapon to Saudi Arabia.

Or the fact that the women's world chess competition will be held in Iran, if they can get the women to travel there.

It is a sad fact that most people only care about human rights violations if they are affected themselves and/or the country doing such despicable things has nothing to offer to them.
Countries don't tend to have the courage to oppose misogyny in other countries if that would harm their exports, imports, or sports.

Isn't this what this thread is all about?