To not really understand why some people are so upset by transwomen using public toilets?

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I'm sorry if this offends, but I really don't understand why this is such a contentious topic. I know transwomen and they just want to pop into a cubicle, do their business and leave. I understand that there is a fear of being attacked, but I honestly think if someone is of a mind to do that they'll do it whether dressed as a woman or not.

I am not advocating for policies. I am advocating for men to have the respect and decency to keep out of women's spaces.

Your girlfriend having been sexually assaulted is not an argument for making it easier for men to gain access to women's spaces. I'm not sure why you think it is?

Most of the people who come on these threads are lesbian activists or women's rights activists more generally.

WTF are you talking about?

And bathroom policies are only coming into existence because of trans activism, and do not advocate stripping people in public.

What the actual fuck?

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If you are so scared that someone in a public toilet might show you their willy or leap on you and molest you, i have a fabulous fabulous tip for you.

Don't. Fucking. Use. One.

Stay at home, wait til you go home, get a fucking grip for fucks sake.

I'd be more than happy if we had two kinds of toilet only.

Toilets for everyone with yer basic normal toileting needs.

Bigger cubicles for family, for wheelchair users or those needing more space.

No stand up urinals because frankly, many penis-owners don't actually like communal pissing anyway.

If this was the 'two toilet system' we had, then anyone with kids worried about them pissing/shitting within two feet of a person of the opposite gender, then they would have the family/larger cubicle option to use.

Without urinals theres no reason nor cause for anyone who doesn't want to see a willy/doesn't want their willy seen, to worry.

But seriously some people on here want their fucking heads wobbling for them - or maybe you'll be fine when one day YOUR daughter or son is checked to see what genitalia THEY have before they can go for a wee!

I am a feminist. I don't want men in female sex segregated spaces. How about you shame the men who do this, rather than the women who want to preserve their privacy and dignity?

What the actual fuck? Women have actual different views based on their different experiences? Who knew? I think you might need your grip back, flower.

Well that's what women in the UK used to do.

Stay at home because there were no safe toilets. That's why there's a plaque above the first public toilets in London.

That's what millions of girls do all around the world - drop out of school because there are no girls' toilets available.

Yes, this absolutely is the hill I want to die on. It is completely undermining women's rights, both directly through taking women's spaces and indirectly by denying women's rights based around physical differences and by reinforcing ludicrous stereotypes like 'living as a woman.'

The status quo of female sex segregated spaces isn't a "solution". Men should just keep the fuck out. If they don't, they can't expect women not to challenge them. But I suspect you don't think women should have any say at all, do you?

And no Caryl, you don't get to dictate what hill other women are permitted to die on.

So your argument is that toilets should be a free for all, but women should stfu about it and focus on other things?
It is possible to be concerned about erosion of women's spaces AND abortion rights at the same time.

I respect your right to personally believe that your elderly friend Margaret is a woman, but not your right to allow men into women's sex segregated spaces. I am never going to agree with you, and will continue to advocate for issues I personally believe in. Ok?

Nobody here is advocating for trans women to be sexually assaulted.

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And I'm not a TERF, I accept transmen in feminism because they are women.

NotCarylChurchill

Delurking here. Presumably, the answer to both your problem and the problem of keeping people with a sexual motivation out of women's spaces, is to have one toilet for men, one for women and a unisex one for trans-people and gender non conforming people who are ambiguous to look at?

No one is advocating for anyone to be assaulted or bullied. Me protesting men being allowed in is my right. Stop trying to deny me my rights.

Datun, and who are unhappy to show ID.

I want to be able to use women's toilets, and am happy to show ID.

That would just be too easy Datun.

Yes, I would also show woman ID. It could just be on a random basis as a deterrent. If you forgot you could give your name and address and present it at your local gender bureau within twenty days. I'm being flippant but it works, no?

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Do you mean everyone has to show ID, or you are happy to show ID in order to use the ladies?

I will never stop fighting for women's rights either. So I guess that's a bit of a stalemate then.

As none of those are happening in the UK, are not being advocated for, and are not likely to happen in the future, why are you on this thread Churchill?