What is so wrong with Hillary?

[MarcelineTheVampire]

I know I know, not another one of these threads but I'm struggling to understand why everyone hates her so much.

I know she has been accused of corruption but nothing has stuck and it doesn't seem to be any worse than her male counterparts- is it because she's a woman?

AIBU to ask you to point me to some facts as to what she has done to be so hated? I'm genuinely interested.

It's far more that people just got their prices for healthcare next year. People are seeing 50% increases in health insurance costs. For some people costs have gone up by 80% since the so-called Affordable Care Act.

They couldn't risk Clinton maintaining or expanding the legislation. They're banking on Trump repealing it. For some people healthcare has gone from $400 a month to $1600 plus copays. Property taxes are up and salaries are static

HappyCamel, thank you for a much needed dose of reality.
This price hike hit just before the election. There are millions of people who tool a look at their bills and hoped they wouldn't have a heart attack.

People are obliged to buy health insurance in the US. If you do not buy health insurance you pay a fine. You are obliged to tick a box on your personal income tax return to indicate that you have health coverage.

When the legislation was passed people went out and bought themselves health insurance. Now prices have indeed been hiked, through the roof in many cases.

Buying health insurance doesn't mean your bills are all paid if you fall ill. Medical services are not free at the point of service. It's not like the NHS at all. You have a personal deductible to pay every year, and often a co-pay (60/40 or 80/20 plans mean the patient pays 40 or 20% of each medical bill, and a deductible of $1000 means you have to spend that much before the insurance pays a penny.) If you have surgery you have to make sure your surgeon and the anesthesiologist and the hospital are all covered by your insurance company as they all send separate bills.

This election wasn't about misogyny or disenfranchisement or any other abstract issues.

It was about bread and butter and people being squeezed while salaries and wages are static.

And I am not mentioning parents of sons who are obliged to sign up for selective service (i.e. the draft) in order to qualify for federal financial aid for university or those sons themselves who are mostly over 18, who see a trail of disastrous policies all over north Africa and the middle east and even in Ukraine, all thanks to HRC's State Department. People don't like the idea of someone who is very much a hawk and a Cold Warrior, and very blithe about starting revolutions left, right and centre, then leaving amateurs to finish them or turn on each other and require bailing out. And war means taxes.

It's far more that people just got their prices for healthcare next year. People are seeing 50% increases in health insurance costs. For some people costs have gone up by 80% since the so-called Affordable Care Act.

They couldn't risk Clinton maintaining or expanding the legislation. They're banking on Trump repealing it. For some people healthcare has gone from $400 a month to $1600 plus copays. Property taxes are up and salaries are static

Meant to italic these paragraphs...

Jesus Christ. The fact is, every male politician ever in the history of the US, including The Donald, has got away with shit loads of crap more than Hillary ever was allowed to. She was banging her head on the glass door that leads to the glas ceiling from day one of the campaign.

And FYI She's not having an affair with Huma ffs. That's like the stupidest of all the rumors.

Her lies:

0.28 Opposed to gay marriage
0:57 Now supports gay marriage and claims she was never opposed
2:09 Core principals (progressive values)
2:49 E-mail scandal (including personal e-mail and Benghazi)
5:40 Wall street
7:18 On universal healthcare
8:39 Bosnia visit (claimed she entered under gunfire and she didn't)
10:56 North America Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA)

There's another one where, like being anti-gay marriage she is pro-wall, then she changes her mind.

She can't keep her shit straight

Yep. She used to be against marriage equality.

1. Was against marriage equality, then supported it
2. Supported Obama's immigration policies, then went against it
3. Supported the War in Iraq, then went against it
4. Supported NAFTA, then went against it
5. Supported the Keystone XL Pipeline, then went against it
6. Supported universal healthcare, then went against it
7. Was against criminal justice reform, then was for it
8. Was for the TPP, then went against it
9. Supported the Cuban Embargo, then went against it

10. Was for No Child Left Behind (Bush era), then went against it

She's just not very engaging. I've watched so many speeches and I can never remember a thing she's said. She talks and I just hear blah blah blah. She's the political equivalent of compliance training.

She also lies for no reason (name thing and Bosnia thing) which makes you think she probably lies a lot when she does have a reason

I still would have voted for her but it would have been "Not Trump" rather than "I'm with her"

She is held to a higher standard just because she is female, the same thing happens across the land all day every day and in some country's women aren't even treated as fully human.

Her life is nit picked over and people are disgusted by things that any male politician would have been forgiven if not applauded for doing.

Women's behaviour is policed, often by other women.

I am sick of it.

I also don't give a monkeys if she's capable of changing her mind, that's good, we need more of that in politics, not less.

I'm also sick and tired of people trying to make her accountable for Bill Clintons actions.

Many people have questions about the extent to which she participated in efforts to smear the women who made allegations against Bill. This is not the same as holding her accountable for his affairs and other bad behaviour.

the best analogy I have heard is imagine Cherie Blair running for president over here...the Blair's are viewed as dodgy, money hungry, corrupt, and out for themselves. The Clintons and the Blairs are carbon copies.

For me she provokes a visceral reaction. I can't imagine having a normal one to one conversation with her. I imagine she would dismiss me because there's nothing in it for her. She's intellectually gifted but does not connect with people.

As I've said on another thread, she's not to blame for Benghazi. It was an unfortunate chain of events, but however much security had been in place, it wouldn't have been enough to repel 100 gunmen.

13 Benghazi-style attacks happened under George W Bush.

www.quora.com/Why-is-Hillary-Clinton-blamed-for-Benghazi-attacks-Is-she-responsible-for-the-security-failure-and-the-deaths

Oh what the 47 million poor educated white people who voted for President Elect Trump. Seriously, educate yourself please! The rhetoric you roll out is old hat and way off the mark of reality.

Yes, but the states which swung it are full of people who have not had a good time of it over the last few years. Why would they vote for more of the same?

I do agree that Hillary is held to a higher standard because she is a woman.

However people are not 'holding her to account for her husband's actions'. They are questioning her involvement and behaviour with regards to the woman he is accused of having affairs with and assaulting.

I don't know, I'm just shocked 😳

I don't know if it's because she's a woman as I feel quite strongly that had Michelle Obama run against trump she would have won. I think a lot of this comes down to the fact that Hilary went with the campaign "I'm not Trump!" And thought that would carry her through.

I think a lot of this comes down to the fact that Hilary went with the campaign "I'm not Trump!" And thought that would carry her through.

Yes, this. She didnt seem to offer much apart from talking a little bit about 'unity', slagging off Trump and bringing out the likes of Beyonce and Lady Gaga (yes, because lots of Americans who are dying on their arse can really relate to mutli millionaire celebrities......)

She obviously thought this would be enough to ride on the coat tails of Obama and waltz into office.

The complacency is so similar to the Remain campaign. They thought they didn't really need to try and they were wrong.

Its It's exactly that kind of complacency that showed she was so out of touch with the average, working class American. To not bother turning up to Florida, Wisconsin etc. in those last few days and weeks because she assumed she had it in the bag really kicked her in the teeth.

Its actually you have raised a good point there about Brexit, there are similarities between the complacency showed by Clinton and by the Remain Campaign.

This is why I think MO would have won against Trump, even though she's black and a woman. She would have been out campaigning and fighting her actual opinions.

This is a Daily Mail link. It also contains facts.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3922140/Death-dynasty-rotten-core-40-years-sex-lies-scandals-Clintons-leave-public-life-beset-crushing-humiliation.html

It's far more that people just got their prices for healthcare next year. People are seeing 50% increases in health insurance costs. For some people costs have gone up by 80% since the so-called Affordable Care Act

This is what I really don't get. The problem isn't with Obamacare, it's with the way corporations can run unchecked. There was something in the ACA that held insurance companies in check but, if I recall correctly, it was a condition of it being passed that it be taken out. Very little will change as far as costs go, insurance companies can and will do as they like but without the protections of the ACA MILLIONS go back to no healthcare at all.

I think a lot of her unpopularity is because she is seen as a career politician and part of the 'system'.
People are fed up of getting more of the same year after year and of nothing seeming to ever change no matter who you vote for. A vote for Trump for some people is a rejection of the status quo. Similar for Brexit j think some leavers felt it was a chance to have real change.
I think like the leave voters the Trump voters will be disappointed that the status quo remains the same.

Voter turn out was low. Democrates couldn't get the voters out. Her number of votes was much lower than Obama.

Why that is, also has to be looked at.

She is held to a higher standard just because she is female, the same thing happens across the land all day every day and in some country's women aren't even treated as fully human.

It's hard to know what role misogyny played, but I think it was less than other more important factors.. Keep in mind she almost won.

But look at the long list of flipflops from Pluto. She is seen as unprincipled and power hungry. I'll emphasise that while the democrats long ago abandoned the working class, she and Obama put an exclamation point on it. Both are seen as very cosy with Wall St. People have seen their lives get harder while rich people get wealthier. She is seen as totally part of that system. Trump was an outsider.

The democrats corruptly got rid of their answer to Trump: Sanders. that led to the resignation of Wasserman. Trump is certainly not the answer, and may possibly make things worse, but he was their brexit vote.

She is possibly the least trusted candidate in history. very little of all that is because she is a woman.

The fact is the USA didn't want the Clintons back in the White House. They wanted an end to dynastic politics. It's not that she was a woman- she was the wrong woman.

Whilst I think it was probably more because she didn't have the trust of the electorate her sex undoubtedly was in play.

A woman with 5 children by 3 exes, a history of adultery, sexual assault charges hanging over them would never and I mean NEVER have even got into the candidacy race.

The Benghazi situation I believe played a massive part in the masses not supporting her, America is far more patriotic than the UK, and there is a hell of a lot of support for the armed forces.

There are the claims of her bullying and derision of Lewinksy and women who levelled abuse claims at Bill, this alienated many female voters.

Then you have plain old misogyny.

These three areas alone ruled out many, many voters, and that's without any propaganda about her representing a peadophile in Court and siding with him ( I saw a fair bit of this).