What is so wrong with Hillary?

[MarcelineTheVampire]

I know I know, not another one of these threads but I'm struggling to understand why everyone hates her so much.

I know she has been accused of corruption but nothing has stuck and it doesn't seem to be any worse than her male counterparts- is it because she's a woman?

AIBU to ask you to point me to some facts as to what she has done to be so hated? I'm genuinely interested.

Not a Trump fan at all but Hillary comes across as arrogant and acted like she was the rightful heir to the Presidency. She comes across as a sort of American Thatcher, very hard and cold, manipulative, untrustworthy and seems like the kind of politician who would sell her mother to ISIS if it meant more power and money.

She is a shill for the banks and her campaign was paid for by Wall Street.

She has defended her husband against some rather unsavoury sex assault allegations and belittled his alleged victims.

With regards to her policies she has said one thing and done something else if changing her policies meant she would be in the favour of the financial industry. For example, her backing for certain bankruptcy reform policies; www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/10/elizabeth-warren-on-how-clinton-backed-student-loan-and-mortgage-debt-slavery-with-bankruptcy-reform.html

Lastly, the Clinton Foundation seems to be very dodgy according to Julian Assange/Wikileaks;

btw 'lesser of the two evils' doesn't literally mean she is evil ffs! It means she is the best of two unpalatable options!

Mothertrucker - you found Clinton arrogant? And not Trump??!!

He will probably rebrand the USA:

"Trump's United States of America"

So basically if Hilary Clinton had three marriages and five children from three different men she would have been ok?

If Clinton had been disabilist, sexist, misogynistic, racist and homophobic she would have been ok?

If Clinton had divorced herself from Bill and remarried she would have been ok?

Hell no! Trump would have gone to town. Hilary sucked, (but not like Monica), that was one of the slogans wasn't it?

Hilary was endorsed by her party. Trump gave free rein to all those who are fed up to the back teeth of political correctness and immigration.

Those who voted for Trump would rather spout vile remarks than get healthcare.

Hilary was an establishment candidate at a time when people in western democracies seem to be riling against the establishment. Bernie's campaign didn't help in this respect either - it turned anti-establishment dems away from her.

Whilst I'm not sure she is significantly more 'corrupt' than previous (male) candidates, she has had wikileaks and internet conspiracy-culture in general to contend with, which has highlighted it.

Also she has a vagina.

Ok, don't sweat it. I just keep hearing that phrase from people.

The Cherie Blair analogy makes perfect sense of it. I also found her a bit fake/smug in the debates, whereas Trump was himself (ie a complete buffoon).

I can't remember hearing a policy from either of them for ages, it all got smothered by the mud slinging. It's been the strangest, most pointless election campaign ever. A huge mess.

I also don't understand why people are calling for Michelle Obama to stand. I wouldn't really want an ex president's wife. Why not look for a real female politician who has done it for a career, not just been in politics playing the perfect wife (although I do accept Hilary did amass the years of experience in the last decade). We need to get away from this voting for a known person and remember it's politics not X factor.

I think it might be the FBI investigations thart did it for Hillary. Quite frankly it is bad that 2 people who have been investigated for crimes are allowed to run for presidency and work in politics.

Clinton was totally unable to empathise with that group of people, and she showed no interest in ever being able to do so.

Clinton got most of her votes with that group of people.

I think it's mainly that she's a woman plain and simple, and it has stirred the swamp of mysogeny. A woman who, in her own words chose not to ' stay at home and bake cookies' and has drawn sustained vitriol for pretty much her whole working life.

Great post Bue

Absolutely nailed it!

Also, why do so many on Mumsnet reflexively support Clinton just because she is a woman? She is hardly a shrinking violet. Shes about the worst representatives of the female sex I can think of (on the same level as Thatcher and Palin).

Whilst her being a woman will certainly have been a factor, I don't think it's the sole (or even prime) reason. Trump defeated the establishment, male Republican candidates with relative ease too.

^Pluto, tell us why you voted Trump?
How will it make your life better, do you think?^

Han, I've heard that kind of question asked a lot by people voting for the side which prides itself on being wiser and less selfish (e.g. Remain, Clinton), of those who are voting in ways which they think are selfish and ignorant (e.g. Brexit, Trump).

The irony is that if your priority when you vote is to try to improve your own life, then obviously a selfish voter!

It's a lot more responsible to try use one's vote for the long-term good of the country, the world, and in particular the poorest and most vulnerable in society. For me that would have meant not Trump, and it did mean Brexit. I know lots of people will disagree with my analysis, but it irritates me when people point out that I've probably made myself poorer -well yes:

If we all just vote for ourselves to get rich, we end up with the kind of unequal, divided, fractious society we've got now!

I'm surprised, given what I read here on a daily basis, that her reaction to the OW who shagged her husband is considered a valid reason to hate her.

You guys are all overlooking some detail that showed HC to be evil:

1. Manipulation of the primaries which forced Bernie out. No one liked it at all.

1. Leaked emails detailing how HC was provided with questions for the debate ahead of the program. No bloody wonder she was so well prepared.

1. HC's campaign paying black people to attend Trump rallies to incite violence. It was insulting to blacks and Trump supporters alike.

1. HC making comments about not driving for 30+ years during her campaign. You just don't say stuff like that. I am very privileged to have opportunities available to me due to DH and I have financial resources. Its a comment that is only going to alienate people. At no point did you hear Trump say the same sort of thing. He came across as caring about people having a future. His DC also did a great job.

1. The case of the rape of a 13 year old was dropped the day before the election. Who does that when her own DH has admitted to putting a cigar up an interns wooha in the Oval office. Numerous women have accused Bill of sexually assaulting them while Trump says a few things that HC tries to back up by paying women to come forward with allegations. This really turned people off. You don't accuse someone of rape like that. It is an insult to women who are victims of rape.

storm If my DH had it off with an intern at work I would leave him because it would be him abusing his position of power within his employer's workplace. I don't stand for that and would not tolerate this behaviour.

As a side note, I bet she's regretting her decision to roll out all of those celebrity supporters, because it backfired so substantially. It was everything people didn't want to see. Nothing says, "We've got no idea how people in rural middle-America are feeling" like bringing out Beyonce and Jay-Z.

I think the Cherie blair analogy is a fair one
I'm not sure the rest of the world realised just how unpopular candidate she was...

It's always a mistake to roll out celebrity supporters imo. It implies people are so thick they'll be swayed by what a celeb says.

Although having a celebrity as your candidate apparently works...

For a country that doesn't like dynastic royalty they Americans sure like dynastic rulers with a presidential flavour.

Kennedys, Clintons, Bushes......

And I think that the "ordinary people" suddenly realised what they were about to do and applied the brakes.

The Cherie Bliar analogy is very apt.

Mind you I couldn't have voted for Trump either. How could they have fielded two such awful candidates?

That's your choice Want2b. Her choice was hers and they are still together.
She didn't rape anyone or say it was ok to grab them by their pussy or comment that they were too ugly to have been worthy of raping.

Yet she's the one with questionable morals?

What do you lot think of the notion of Condoleeza Rice standing for the next election? Not that she has said she wants to yet afaik?

Tink She'd get nowhere. Her history is just as shady as Hillary's.