Trump has won 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

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WTF have I woken up to? Everyone is calling it for trump 😭😭😭😭😭

I'm still have trouble sleeping after brexit and now this 😭😭😭😭

FTSE due to open 4% lower on pre trading, well done.

Melania is thinking 'oh fuck, now I need to make my robotic speeches on a daily basis. All I wanted was an elderly sugar daddy with a short life expectancy'.

On a more frivolous note - Melania looked amazing at Donald's acceptance speech this am. I loved her jumpsuit.

Agree with WLF46. Some of Trumps policies like ending large free trade agreements and producing more stuff locally not importing it from China I support.
He is a sexist narcissist with disregard for the environment, but I think Brexit and Trumpism weren't mainly anti-foreigner but pro making things in your own country again and trade tariffs to encourage people to buy home produced stuff

It's really creepy that this happened on 9/11 (although it would be 11/9 in America).

not David tenant

Austria still might get a far right government- the election result was declared invalid due to a technicality (some votes were counted early) and it's going to be rerun. My brother lives there and is regularly subjected to xenophobic abuse (he is a quiet well mannered white middle class male so god help anyone who actually looks foreign...)

It's terrifying- but it shows you how pissed off people are and how the conventional centrist parties are failing to address their concerns.
I personally believe there something very very unpleasant brewing here in Europe- war within a decade wouldn't surprise me at all. Austerity, inequality, and population increase so rapidly by cultures with different social customs is an explosive mix.

I thought trump would win - very sad day for America. Let's hope his terrifying lack of self control is reigned in.

LurkingHusband - And you think that the president of the USA is going to deliberately sign off on policies and agreements that are bad for his country? The JD does not hv to expressly state that it is his job to put his country first, and I'm surprised you do not know that. Any CEO of a business for example does his best to ensure that his organisation does well, ditto a presidency.

Cozietoesie, I didn't biscuit you, or anyone.

I wanted to know whether the President could set off the nukes unilaterally - because I understood he couldn't.

It put's me in mind of Spitting Image - Ronald Reagan with his "Nurse" or "Nuke" red buttons next to the bed

Southallgirl

West London - Lady Margaret Road etc ? Happy memories growing up !

Any CEO of a business for example does his best to ensure that his organisation does well, ditto a presidency.

Two words:

Phillip
Green

I dont get why everyone is still so stunned, and the most shocked seem to be the TV presenters & anchors. The chap on SKyNews is having a hard time as well as Laura somebody, also on Sky.

She didnt like what the black guy in the street told her about why he voted Trump. That must hv been a double whammy for her sensibilities!! Lol

Sorry, Woodlander. 'Biscuit' is a nickname for the thingy that the president carries and not any reference to you.

The first para of this will explain.

Got you, cozietoesie

I'm trying not to think of the film Dead Zone now

It's not a topic that's worth talking about at the moment, I think. People are anxious and unsettled and (understandably) don't want to think about it.

Many of the brexiters I know voted out "because of the muslims". Seriously. So Im afraid educated brexitters for me, will always be the exception, not the rule. Plus the polls tend to show that too. Sorry.

Birdy, based on a entirely non-scientific sample of people you know, you've formed a prejudice which you will "always" believe? You sound just as prejudiced as the people you're stereotyping.

I knew more about economics and far more about policitics than most of the Remain voters I knew, but I'm not daft enough to assume that means that my experience must be representative of the country as a whole!

Polls which took account of the proportion of people in each generation who went to university showed that Leavers were just as well educated as
Remainers.

I have no idea whether you're left wing (and would view that as a positive label rather than an insult anyway), but you certainly qualify as condescending.

I think it's all going to be fine.

DH just shut me down totally on my what ifs? - "well, we'd be dead, Greenwood."

He's right - we're just outside London.

I wanted Clinton to win, but an awful lot of Americans are saying she's a hawk - and was going to flex her muscles against Putin.

But then, conversely, it looks unlikely we can rely on Trump's help if Putin get's all aggressive with Eastern Europe.

Worrying times all round really.

LurkingHusband - Philip Green thieved from his own company. If a USA president does that in terms of backroom deals, favours, cash gifts then he too is corrupt. That is the accusation against Mr and Mrs Clinton.

Does a constitution have to graphically state that no Servant of the People should thieve?

*(Sorry, Greenwood was my old nickname) - I'm all out of sorts. Discombobulated today. The shock, you see.

Odd that all these "men of the people" who talk for the "real people" always seem to be privately educated white businessmen from wealthy families trump/far age/Johnson et al. You couldn't get more establishment if you tried.

I'll take condescending.

I'm telling you my experience of leavers, in real life, certainly on Mumsnet! and based on statistics:
other things being equal, support for leave was 30% higher among those with GCSE qualifications of below than it was for people with a degree
(Rowntree Foundation)
I'm sorry if this is unpalatable to you.

Also, please note, I'm not talking about intelligence/stupidity at all - only education which I certainly know is based on opportunity/environmental as it is 'brains'.

I think the Michael Moore article was bang on actually. Lots of angry white men voting for Trump for various reasons - I've heard a lot saying the words "shake things up a bit" which was the same argument as Brexit.

I do think that when things are bad , people generally tend to look backwards towards better times ( often through rose tinted spectacles ) . The problem that every politician in the Northern hemisphere has is this , we cannot go back , we cannot re-create the past , no matter what they say , it will not happen . Everything has changed , some things for the better and some not , but this whole idea that we can go backwards to go forwards is ludicrous . We and the US, have to accept that our time at the top is passing and fading , there are whole swathes of the world that are going to overtake us very soon in just about every possible way .

Kerala - You can be a flawed individual from a privileged background but still love your country and hate what's happened to it. Detroit used to be THE Motor City, but now the car firms build overseas and then import into the USA. Trump said a way to bring back manufacturing of all kinds into the USA might be by lowering corporation tax. It might work.

It would be a filip to the blue-collar demographic, their spending would increase and SS budget would reduce.

And what is coming out from the us is middle income, non college educated white men came out in their droves for trump

Is it ok to say this?

It's really creepy that this happened on 9/11 (although it would be 11/9 in America

I don't get this

And the utter madness continues!

I woke up with a similar feeling to the day after the referendum, however, even tho I felt shocked, I was certainly not surprised.

Yes indeed the people have spoken but oh my goodness what a decision.

Unfortunately now my previously held stereotypes about certain Americans has actually come true- there is a hell of a lot of stupid over there.

(And the U.K. as well I might add)

birdybirdy

Yes it's ok to say as that's pretty much what the stats were showing on TV today.