Trump has won 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

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WTF have I woken up to? Everyone is calling it for trump 😭😭😭😭😭

I'm still have trouble sleeping after brexit and now this 😭😭😭😭

FTSE due to open 4% lower on pre trading, well done.

Why didn't we see poor, working class and young people voting for Trump?

Funny kind of revolution isn't it.

Almost Daily Mail-esque!

Hitler 2 is coming, My children need protecting from this hatred.

There's a bunch of reasons. Obama was prevented from enacting a lot of legislation due to the mad American system. So not enough working class voters saw enough change over his terms to believe the Democrats could do anything.

Secondly, the machinations around the scuttling of Bernie Sanders put off maybe enough people from supporting Clinton to make a difference. I do believe he could have won, he had a lot of support amongst voters.

Because Americans despise socialism.

I'm not just talking from the US pov though. Brexit was a right wing project. Austria very nearly had a far right government, and the right appears to be in the ascendancy in many parts of Europe.

There is a lot of talk about this being a growth of anti-establishment politics, but what seems to be less talked about is that it is very much right wing anti-establishment politics. The anti-establishment left doesn't seem to be able to break out of the margins.

The comparisons to Hitler may be valid, but before condemning Trump to the same level of infamy (as he's not in the White House yet), it might be worth considering how the former rose to power in the first place. As for the comment regarding white middle class males being the one to elect Trump - hang on.....other posters claim it's the 'uneducated poor' with Hispanics being loaded with some of the blame. Make your minds up!

I don't think there's enough data yet to show who voted for whom and I also think that data's pretty unreliable.

but this early, it's definitely unreliable - the voting figures re young people and Brexit were shown as one thing the day after and another thing completley a week later, of course the second lot of stats got buried.

something I really wonder is how many Democrats turned Republican on this and why. I am not upset about an anti-globalisation feeling. It's the voting for a woman hater with no political experience that weirds me out most.

notdavid. These are really valid points and I agree. I do sometimes wonder if far right and far left sometimes come full circle and there's a meeting point of the two?

We do have some data, though, so we can say some things tentatively. It's not like there's a total void of information out there. Indeed, some of us have been discussing those numbers over the last few pages! It does seem likely, according to the information we have right now, that the poorer brackets tended to vote Clinton and that it was the white, conservative, Christian, male middle class voters who went for Trump. (See the NY Times exit polls).

Interestingly, it's worth stating that Clinton got 163,641 votes more than Trump nationally, i.e. she won the popular vote but lost the election. She ended up with 47.7 percent to Trump's 47.5 percent.

Well I'd like to see evidence that a large Hispanic vote that helped trump please?

And evidence that it was the poor, 'disenfranchised' cheers.

The polls aren't showing that.

It's rather like brexit where it was claimed to be the people's revolution when it was actually Shirley and derek, 65, from Braintree who are fed up with all them foreigners.

Oh, and I think a huge factor in both the UK and the US, in terms of anti-establishment right and left wing politics, is the way the media report on and discuss stories. It is, to my mind, no accident that the anti-establishment right has major and highly influential opinion-making organs in the Daily Mail and Express, while the anti-establishment left has none (the Guardian has not been pro-Corbyn).

the other reason I don't like these stats is how is anyone defining these racial groups. People settle into tribes that are often in no way linked to their "race" (a term that's about as valid as "gender" rather than bio sex).

Oh do bog off birdy.

Signed,

Shirley.

but Shirley, you won!

I don't think it is the end of the world as we know it or a disaster. I would have found it difficult to vote for either candidate & the tone of the campaign was distasteful at times. I believe a lot of things were said that aren't deliverable in the real world eg Mexico building a wall to keep immigrants out of the US! However, I do think there is an important message for our political elites. Many ordinary people feel completely shut out & ignored by the political process. They feel voiceless & to be honest, globalisation has not been a force for good as far as they are concerned. I totally understand why the average US citizen wants to see immigration limited & some protection of their key markets / industries. Investment in infrastructure is also required in their cities & more deprived neighbourhoods. This vote is like BREXIT X 1000. There is the same sense of anger & disconnect between politicians & the people.

lorelei - I think, in the context of the NY Times data , it's how people self-define racially. I could be wrong about that.

I sincerely hope he's not assassinated.

It might solve the 'Trump' problem, but it definitely would not solve the problem of his supporters. It would only make them even more rabid.

He needs to live. And lead. And be held to account. He needs to do all things he promised to do (without a plan in the world; Brexit all over again).

His supporters need to see him attempting to do this, will leading a country about as divided as it has been since 1861.

They need to see him fail with their own eyes.

And besides, the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand lead to WW1, and the deaths of millions and millions of people worldwide. WTF wants to take that chance??

I feel its far worse than Brexit.

And you might not know this, but I think Brexit is a disaster.

that's an awful lot of derek and shirleys isn't it?

the americans didn't listen and instead of putting up a candidate against trump that the people wanted they put the candidate that the establishment wanted - Clinton.

I hope this is the end of 2 party politics in America so there are no more elections where people vote for the least worse option in their view.

all the doomsayers predicting the end of the world - it didn't end after brexit did it and it wont end now. too many people have failed to wake and smell the coffee. the left wing has woefully let its supporters down both in the uk and America. there needs to be a root and branch review in the usa and a sweeping out of the political dynasties.

the worse thing so far in my opinion was the failure of Hillary to address her own supporters straight away and to send them home whilst being on the phone conceding. if that doesn't smack of the arrogance that led to her not being voted in, I don't know what does.

Le pen must be rubbing her hands together.

I don't think it is as bad for UK citizens as Brexit is and at least they can vote him out in four years.

all the doomsayers predicting the end of the world - it didn't end after brexit did it and it wont end now.

1.We have not left the EU yet.

1. It may well do

all the doomsayers predicting the end of the world - it didn't end after brexit did it and it wont end now.

You do realise that Brexit hasn't happened yet, don't you?

There is a lot of talk about this being a growth of anti-establishment politics, but what seems to be less talked about is that it is very much right wing anti-establishment politics. The anti-establishment left doesn't seem to be able to break out of the margins.

I think he's got some left-wingers in there who despise his stance on immigration, abortion and environment but think something has gone very wrong with the standard of living for ordinary American and they get a sense that monopolies and NAFTA have a lot to answer for.

I'm hoping, fervently, that he'll decide that establishing a colony on Mars would be befitting to his presidency.

I thought you understood politics Meister

mummy. Yep, exactly - different Democrat candidate, different result.