Trump has won 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

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WTF have I woken up to? Everyone is calling it for trump 😭😭😭😭😭

I'm still have trouble sleeping after brexit and now this 😭😭😭😭

FTSE due to open 4% lower on pre trading, well done.

Our condolences stopgap.

but change is the only true way forward.

But change to what? Nationalism? Isolationism? What is the brave new world that Brexit and Trump are leading us towards?

I meant 'How would he be kept in check?'

Paul Ryan, for starters.

Congressional elections, for another.

Surely he'll be kept in check somehow?

So far the Republican party have been unable to keep him on check/message in the run up to the election. If they're going to do it they'll need to figure out a way to do it pretty quickly.

Mind you they have enough problems trying to keep their own party together, so retaining the House and the Senate might turn out not to be the huge advantage that it looks at the moment.

I'm so sorry stopgap. Try to hold on to the fact that at the absolute most it will be for 8 years. Hopefully 4 when he doesn't come through on any of his mad promises. Maybe less if his appalling behaviour gets him impeached.

Our idiotic vote here in the UK means a permanent change for the worse.

oh ffs

people voted brexit and for trump as they wanted change. Remain and Clinton didn't offer the change many feel is right

plenty understand politics and economics. I have spoken with those that voted Remain who had no understanding at all of the EU

agree comments like this fuel the fire not damp it down

and I voted Remain but I do not think myself more intelligent than those that voted to leave

Well said, my thoughts exactly.

Museum

Something happens and there's the prospect of missiles flying in 20 minutes. Do you really think that Mr Ryan or congressional elections are going to matter? The man will be Commander in Chief.

Keep smiling and don't let the kids see if you're upset, I think.

So far the Republican party have been unable to keep him on check/message in the run up to the election. If they're going to do it they'll need to figure out a way to do it pretty quickly.

No one can control what he says, but there are constitutional checks to presidential power (obviously?).

I guess we shouldn't take too much comfort in that, being that Obama breached these very checks with Obamacare (and paved the road for Trump in doing so).

But change to what? The job of any president is to look after the welfare of his country. Not go regime-changing all over the place, or war-mongering amongst sects cannot co-exist with each other never mind anyone else. We will never fully understand the internecine aspect of those countries - and then what do we do? ..... we import the very hostiles into the West. Only idiots do that and we must stop doing it.

Something happens and there's the prospect of missiles flying in 20 minutes. Do you really think that Mr Ryan or congressional elections are going to matter? The man will be Commander in Chief.

To launch a nuclear attack, he needs the approval of the Secretary of Defense.

Let's hope you're right - in practical terms.

I think Trump is an odious man, but he has offered a change of course which is what the American electorate wants.

You can blame the American establishment, including Obama, the Clintons, the DNC, the RNC, Wall St etc for handing this victory to Trump. They refused to address the erosion of the middle and working classes and now Trump has come along to offer an alternate reality.

Why is anyone surprised?

Dismiss the uneducated at your peril. There are millions of people in the Western world feeling utterly disenfranchised.

Until we have equal opportunities for everyone and not just the largely white middle class, this is what will happen.

Watch what now happens in France and other European countries.

Be the change in the world you want to see.

Charlie, I totally get that, I just don't believe that Trump will provide anything the disenfranchised want. To some extent I'm the disenfranchised - but not American.

I also wonder how many illegal immigrants he employs but that's a whole other conversation.

PS i'm not surprised at all, as you will know if you saw me post the last few days. I'm just sad.

The job of any president is to look after the welfare of his country

Is that in the Constitution ?

I think the main role is as a bulwark between the various branches of the US government. And CinC of the armed forces.

People may think The job of any president is to look after the welfare of his country. A president or candidate might claim The job of any president is to look after the welfare of his country . But, a look into the job decription (e.g here) doesn't say anything about the countries welfare ...

Job Description

The Constitution assigns the president two roles: chief executive of the federal government and Commander in Chief of the armed forces. As Commander in Chief, the president has the authority to send troops into combat, and is the only one who can decide whether to use nuclear weapons.

As chief executive, he enforces laws, treaties, and court rulings; develops federal policies; prepares the national budget; and appoints federal officials. He also approves or vetoes acts of Congress and grants pardons.

A higher education is a benefit of wealth, which is a sign that you are a beneficiary of the status quo. A lack of education is a symptom of disenfranchisement.

until we have equal opportunities for everyone and not just the largely white middle class, this is what will happen

You nailed it, charlie. Precisely this. As long as the disenfranchised and unrepresented are persistently ignored, there will always be the opportunity for someone like Trump to arrive on the scene and offer them (albeit it possibly false) hope.

Until we have equal opportunities for everyone and not just the largely white middle class, this is what will happen.

What on earth do you mean? This was a white middle class vote.

(Just as Brexit was)

1/2 of America voted for him. They aren't all stupid.
1/2 of UK voted for Brexit. Not all stupid.

People are disgruntled and disenchanted.

All of this is not good.

I too suspect the EU, like a pp just said, is crumbling, of its own accord. I can't see it surviving long term.

If you want to understand what happened here, I think it's key to look at New Hampshire and the third party votes. New Hampshire is one of the most educated states in the country and they voted for Trump. While they've voted Democrat recently, they've traditionally been Republican with a more Libertarian/anti-establishment streak (before the Republican party was taken over by the religious right).
In some states where the margins were slim, 3-4% voted for a third party, showing there is serious dissatisfaction with both candidates. We accounted for the racist vote. Hillary never had a chance in those states to begin with. Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania are all traditionally blue states. Michigan and Wisconsin are the states where Sanders, who targeted the working class, pulled off upset victories against Hillary in the primaries. He was able to tap into the same thing Trump did, albeit in a much more positive way.
This is probably one of most spot on analyses I've read so far, and it was written before the election. Reason #1 is key, but #3 and #4 were also huge factors. (From a Sanders supporter who reluctantly voted for Hillary).
michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/

Charlie, I totally get that, I just don't believe that Trump will provide anything the disenfranchised want.

Really? I don't get the sense that his promise to repeal NAFTA (if possible? I have no idea, honestly) and bring jobs back to the US is even remotely hollow.

until we have equal opportunities for everyone and not just the largely white middle class, this is what will happen

Poor white, middle class, middle aged, male Americans. They've been so disenfranchised. My heart bleeds.

But if this is all about helping the disenfranchised and creating equal opportunities why aren't we seeing a growth in popularity of socialist movements? This seems to be very specifically a right wing phenomenon.

But if this is all about helping the disenfranchised and creating equal opportunities why aren't we seeing a growth in popularity of socialist movements? This seems to be very specifically a right wing phenomenon.

Because Americans despise socialism.

They don't want bigger government, they want to return to a time where the US made stuff.