Trump has won 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

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WTF have I woken up to? Everyone is calling it for trump 😭😭😭😭😭

I'm still have trouble sleeping after brexit and now this 😭😭😭😭

FTSE due to open 4% lower on pre trading, well done.

I think MummyMeister has identified a very real polarisation between Urban and Rural populations. Having lived in big cities and deep country in two countries, metropolitan slickers have a strong tendency to treat everyone else as ignorant hicks and to dismiss them and their concerns a blend of condescension and arrogance as small-minded, lacking the imagination to aspire higher. The "elite" apparently feel that because they inhabit an ivory tower of intellectual superiority where public, corporate and media policies are made and opinions forged that this entitles them to prescribe what the rest should think and want.

The political upsets of 2016 are the victory of the silent majority who are fed up with being told what they should think and what is good for them. It seems probable that the political classes in France and Germany are going to get the same resounding fuck you next year.

I was on the overnight chat thread watching the results come in. Was v sad to wake up after my few hours of sleep & find it hadn't been a horrible nightmare.

I think I actually saw Putin smile as he was giving his speech congratulating Trump (& reiterating it was ALL Obama's fault US-Russian relations had broken down). And Marine Le Pen's glee over his election says a lot about what a catastrophically bad thing it is (as her response to Brexit did).

Have been watching BBC News 24 since I woke up again & might have to stop because it's filling me with such dread. They keep running a series of images from the election to a setting of The Star-Spangled Banner that sounds frankly funereal, which probably isn't helping...

I think Corbyn's statement was fantastic & can't believe a PP compared it to Trump's! Trump was waffling because he has no idea what he's on about. The demon!guinea pig perched on his bonce that's running the show is, after all, only a guinea pig... Corbyn, however, was eloquent & speaking to the highest common denominator not the lowest.

Am wondering about the impact of the gutting of the VRA - have SAD suspicion that those disenfranchised might have tipped it for HRC.

In some ways I find the people who voted for independent candidates/wrote in Bernie Sanders' name on their ballots worse than Trump supporters. They essentially spoiled their ballots rather than hold their noses & vote to keep that bloody awful man out of an office he is categorically unfit to hold. I wonder if, as with Brexit, lots of them thought their "protest vote" wouldn't count & are now kicking themselves &/or panicking over the result (again, as with Brexit).

I'm not in the least surprised at how many comfortably-off older white men voted for Trump. I think for them he doesn't represent change so much as a return to the status quo ante/a firming up of their position of power, which they so bizarrely believe is being eroded by women & minorities.

I do wish they'd stop referring to Trump as not being part of the establishment. Obviously he has no political experience, so he is outside the political establishment. But his position of wealth & power & tax-dodging antics? I think the people who characterise him as an establishment figure are absolutely right to do so. He's not a man of the people - well, unless you mean of the 1%, the elite who are actually going to benefit from the election of the satanic guinea pig & it's orange puppet.

Trump's supporters must have been stunned by his volte face about HRC in his speech. Suddenly she shouldn't be locked up but has served the country well instead & should be congratulated for her campaign. Am desperately hoping we will see more of this tone - perhaps there has been a coup in the hutch & we now have a moderate & reasonable guinea pig puppeteer?

No, it's not what the majority wanted. Clinton will have won the popular vote.

But don't teachers in the USA get health insurance premium top ups from their employers?

The problem with some counties is that they are using substitute teachers and/or limiting the hours of teachers so that they no longer qualify for the top ups. Is my basic knowledge of this complex system. Largely, teachers are civil servants and they are employed with packages including pension and health care.

It will however depend on your friend's family situation and health care package.

My husband is in Chicago at the moment and says that people are weirdly calm and happy. Obama was great on rhetoric, weak on action and obamacare is actually really expensive! More more so than some other health insurance according to the Americans my husband works with. Whether it's the case or not, I think people want a do-er, not a talker.

The Left, i.e. Clintons and the Democrats have been sold as the party of the people. In fact, it's the reverse; they are totalitarians and are doing to USA what Blair's govt did so provocatively and deliberately:

"Labour has always justified immigration on economic grounds and denied it was using it to foster multiculturalism.
But suspicions of a secret agenda rose when Andrew Neather, a former government adviser and speech writer for Tony Blair, Jack Straw and David Blunkett, said the aim of Labour’s immigration strategy was to ‘rub the Right’s nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date."

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3466485/How-Blair-cynically-let-two-million-migrants-Explosive-biography-reveals-PM-s-conspiracy-silence-immigration-debate.html

Trump won for the same reason that the pro-Brexit argument did in the U.K.: He has offered simple solutions to complex problems, and apportioned blame for current woes which chimes with people's innate prejudices.
He appeals to those who don't understand politics or economics or the complexity of how governments work.

Well said, Minifingerz.

OCSockOrphanage it would be really interesting to know where the most vociferous/anti pro Trump/brexit people commenting on here come from.

I completely agree with what you have said. its the condescending and the arrogance that gets to me in all of this.

and its going to happen in France, Germany, Spain etc.

I have an uneasy feeling Trump didn't really want or expect to win, much like Boris Johnson.
It's almost as if he is a man who has everything money can buy, so what to do next?
I think it's also quite possible he will tire of being the president when he discovers he cannot make his frankly bonkers speeches that he seemed to so enjoy during his campaign.
He's like a little boy with a new toy who will get bored of it when his mother tells him he can't play with it unless he puts his other toys away.

birdy and mini I voted brexit. I understand politics, the complexity of it and how government works.

its exactly this type of condescending statement from left wingers that has fuelled the fire imo. are you both city/town or country dwellers?

A lot of Left supporters have been used as useful idiots in shouting down anyone who spoke out.
Maybe, ultimately they have awoken and seen politics for what it always has been - supporting rich people.

Im not a left-winger and I live in the brexit heartlands - the suburbs of the Thames Estuary.

Stereotyping works both ways huh.

Many of the brexiters I know voted out "because of the muslims". Seriously. So Im afraid educated brexitters for me, will always be the exception, not the rule. Plus the polls tend to show that too. Sorry.

oh ffs

people voted brexit and for trump as they wanted change. Remain and Clinton didn't offer the change many feel is right

plenty understand politics and economics. I have spoken with those that voted Remain who had no understanding at all of the EU

agree comments like this fuel the fire not damp it down

and I voted Remain but I do not think myself more intelligent than those that voted to leave

This is quite an interesting article on the whole issue of why Trump won.

www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/revenge-of-the-deplorables-donald-trump-president/18955#.WCM589xaE_Q

America and Russia are big countries - area wise - with relatively few people in them. I think many of their inhabitants just don't realise what would be the effect of a nuclear war. It doesn't hit home to them.

That is what worries me about this election. A PP said that Trump couldn't push the button without the agreement of Congress. That belief is unfounded, I think.

Still. We have until January of next year. I suspect the world's chances of making it to 2018 are slim indeed. (Although I'd be delighted to be proved wrong.)

I'm hoping there'll be a lot of "No, Mr. President, you just can't do that.." going on behind the scenes when he takes office. Surely he'll be kept in check somehow?

Trump won for the same reason that the pro-Brexit argument did in the U.K. He has offered simple solutions to complex problems, and apportioned blame for current woes which chimes with people's innate prejudices.
He appeals to those who don't understand politics or economics or the complexity of how governments work

THIS. In spades.

Trump won because he took advantage of righteous anger. All he needed to do was say he wasn't part of the political establishment and to froth at the mouth a bit and shout about the corruption of anyone who disagreed with him, and lots of angry people turned a deaf ear to anything that might indicate he was actually a bit of a nutter. It worked for Hitler, after all.

Brexit and Trump show it doesn't matter what the media say. It doesn't matter what the ivory tower "experts" say in academia. It doesn't matter what people say in the polls. People vote the way they vote based on their life experiences. It also indicates to me that there will be more "shock" results like this next year in Europe too. The old establishment look obsolete - time for something new.
All the arguments we have on these boards are simply due to some people who are resisting change, but change is the only true way forward.

How?

I meant 'How would he be kept in check?'

Of course people in big countries understand the effect of a nuclear war - well, as much as we all think we understand what could happen.

Had some reaction from a stateside relative ...

1. not surprised
2. suggests that (as with Brexit) there will be some people who voted Trump who might be in for a surprise ... as a "Republican" he has some quite liberal views - certainly on drug policy

www.merryjane.com/news/want-marijuana-legalized-then-donald-trump-is-your-best-option

I disagree, I'm afraid, Middle. I think people have forgotten- or were never truly aware in the first place.

Devastated here in liberal Connecticut. I can barely see straight.