Trump has won 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

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WTF have I woken up to? Everyone is calling it for trump 😭😭😭😭😭

I'm still have trouble sleeping after brexit and now this 😭😭😭😭

FTSE due to open 4% lower on pre trading, well done.

Wasn't it Stalin who was famous for having A Plan?

I wonder whether, like Brexit supporters, Trump supporters will get angrier and angrier as the reality of their victory sinks in.

Very probably.

Just heard the news, what the hell?

Jess if the alternative to you is a racist rapist, then yes, please do.

No, I believe that was Baldrick spartacus.

"If people are thick, stupid, and racist, the conversation shouldn't be about why we must say so, or mind. It should be about how we can get them to stop being thick, stupid, and racist."

It's true that these are awful insulting words to use about people. And if you use them about - or to - people who disagree with you, well, that's not how you go about influencing people.

The trouble is that sometimes, when you are arguing with people who are objectively wrong about some stuff, you don't need to say "thick" or "stupid" to insult them. they can hear that you disagree. And for some people, they are insecure enough to hear even the suggestion that they have missed something as an insult. they can't engage with it, they just resent the suggestion.

"racism" is now correctly understood as a very bad thing to be - while many people still are it. So now you can't challenge racism by using that word. It is extremely problematic

The trouble with this is that there actually is a difference between competence and incompetence; between dangerous hatred that will damage us all (in purely practical terms)

I agree completely.

and a more sophisticated outlook which recognises the interconnectedness of everything and wants to work in a cleverer and more constructive way

I agree again. However I don't see a wholesale acceptance of globalisation as either sophisticated or constructive.

If you resent people who think in a different and more sophisticated way than you, those people don't need to be shrill, or self righteous, or to shout, to be resented. It's important that competent people speak, but what can you do if they are hated when they do?

I think you are trying to imply that all "competent" people are on the side of the status quo/establishment/remain etc and these people have more sophisticated ideas. You might be saying it more politely, but you are essentially saying that people who disagree with you are not as clever.

There are a lot of very clever people who are not happy with the way this country has gone in the last few decades (probably the same in the USA). Best not to just dismiss them as not competent or capable of sophisticated ideas.

I wonder whether, like Brexit supporters, Trump supporters will get angrier and angrier as the reality of their victory sinks in.

Yes, and then they will start to think of reasons for why the "liberal lefties" are to blame for what has happened.

😭

"I've just discovered my extremely successful husband has had 'inappropriate relations' with a 23 year old member of staff, possibly involving a cigar. He may lose his job over this, and some people feel he exploited his position of power.

I'm gutted and I've got some thinking to do. While he is clearly a shit, should my whole life be bound up with what he did, and defined and narrowed by his infidelities?

I have my own career and while it's tough to accept that I married a shit, should I throw that away, so that as well as being married to a shit my professional dreams are over and I lose everything?

Also - some people say that people will blame me for what he did. That's bullshit, right? why should I take the blame for him? who would really think that?"

The world is in a very scary place at the minute

seek. While the 'racist' element is undeniable, I think the rest is still yet to be proved. I will never vote for a female because I happen to be one; I will vote on the individual's policies and integrity. Which means that if there is ever a May/Corbyn election, I'll be voting for the latter. Doesn't mean I'm not a feminist, but that I support his policies over Theresa's.

I wonder whether, like Brexit supporters, Trump supporters will get angrier and angrier as the reality of their victory sinks in.

Yes, and then they will start to think of reasons for why the "liberal lefties" are to blame for what has happened.*

You forgot "before questioning the very democracy and independent state sovereignty they fought so hard for".

I wonder whether, like Brexit supporters, Trump supporters will get angrier and angrier as the reality of their victory sinks in. if they change their minds they can vote him out again in 4 years.

A huge rise in race hate crime

Yes, done by racists in Rotherham, Rochdale, Oldham, Cambridge, etc etc. Those who voted for Brexit want to stop this abuse but they are prevented from doing so because the local councils in tandem with the police are putting political correctness before justice.

Oh bugger it. Done over by Blackadder again. People always have to explain the jokes to me.

Hillary sold out her feminist values. She is a disgrace to women

And Trump is a disgrace to men. Your point?

maudlin. She could have divorced him and still pursued a political career. She was hardly financially dependent on him.

"There are a lot of very clever people who are not happy with the way this country has gone in the last few decades"

I am one of them!

;)

I am not in favour of the status quo. I just think that certain reactions to really legitimate grievances are disasters. It's not binary - "everything is fine" vs. "vote brexit"

"Best not to just dismiss them as not competent or capable of sophisticated ideas."

I am not dismissing a whole swathe of people who disagree with me as incompetent or unsophisticated. But in particular conversations, when you are disagreeing in the moment with someone who doesn't have the information you have, and you try to tell them what they don't know, you are perceived as being overbearing, even if you are honestly just trying to share information and a point of view.

Eg - on this thread - someone said "well Brexit hasn't changed anything." that is a profoundly misinformed view. Lots of people have said so. but I bet the poster hasn't changed how they think, they just resent the posters who have pointed out what is wrong with that POV

Those who voted for Brexit want to stop this abuse but they are prevented from doing so because the local councils in tandem with the police are putting political correctness before justice.

Fuck me, I've heard it all now. You're an inspiration to us all.

"maudlin. She could have divorced him and still pursued a political career. She was hardly financially dependent on him."

I don't get this. Why does staying married to someone imply that you endorse all their (potentially shitty) behaviour? Being married is saying "I'm sticking with you for better or worse". It isn't saying "I declare to the world that you are perfect and everything you do, I endorse."

If people are thick, stupid, and racist, the conversation shouldn't be about why we must say so, or mind. It should be about how we can get them to stop being thick, stupid, and racist

Why do you think it comes up so much? because so many people are thick and racist, and they get cross when they're called on it

It's such a circular argument isn't it though. "How do I know they are thick, stupid and racist? Well because they voted for Leave/Trump. No one who is not thick, stupid or racist would vote for Leave/Trump so they must be these thick, stupid or racist" and round, and round and round....

Isn't it funny how 37% of the electorate of this country and half of that of the USA have suddenly become thick, stupid or racist overnight (or overnight on 23rd June for us)?

It's just name calling, it gets you nowhere and it is offensive and I wish people would stop doing it.

nb I am horrified at Trump's win.

What a load of shit! First brexit and now trump. What is the world coming to? Yes ok the 'people' voted. That just goes to show that the 'people' who voted for trump are just as stupid as brexit voters. Flipping idiots.