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To be aghast if Trump loses?

230 replies

PlanIsNoPlan · 05/11/2016 19:07

Is there actually an Asylum big enough to take him and his ego? What will he do? How will he recover from his defeat? I'm also worried about Hill's voice - she'll have to do her acceptance speech just smiling knowingly.

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BeALert · 06/11/2016 23:44

But voting for Trump is like throwing a grenade through the windows of the establishment. Something that may actually be beneficial.

Maine already tried this - they voted in Paul LePage as governor.

You should look up the results of it. It's been pretty embarrassing for Mainers.

It's cost them a lot because of things like government having to be recalled to pass bills that he vetoed (because he went through a stage of simply vetoing every single bill put in front of him).

He's done things like withhold bond money that had been voted for by the majority of voters.

His own party has reprimanded him for things like threatening physical violence to other politicians, and the opposing party has attempted to have him impeached.

Not surprisingly, while most of the rest of the country has been recovering from the recession, Maine has continued to stagnate. Their government struggles to function and business are put off investing.

It's been just peachy.

BeALert · 06/11/2016 23:46

...not surprisingly, LePage is a huge Trump fan. When asked what it was about Trump's policies he liked, he said he didn't know enough about them to say.

user1471451684 · 06/11/2016 23:46

I'll vote Johnson, I don't trust the others

ThisIsReallyNotMyName · 07/11/2016 00:49

Dotforshort. You really need to educate yourself on Clinton if you really believe that.

DotForShort · 07/11/2016 03:34

No, I really don't. I feel confident that I know quite a bit about Clinton. That's why she has my vote. Smile

DotForShort · 07/11/2016 03:40

Just to clarify: I mean I really don't need to educate myself any more. The facts about Clinton are entirely clear to me. And I hope my fellow US citizens have also come to the conclusion that she is the only option, given the horrifying alternative.

ElizaDontlittle · 07/11/2016 04:57

User1471 - ah, Johnson. The guy who doesn't know where Aleppo is. A reassuring alternative indeed....

Those of us who pray are praying very hard that common sense prevails and Hillary - yes, the least worst choice - gets in. I'm not confident - Brexit has shown that unhappy and desperate people believe what they want to hear.

Mcchickenbb41 · 07/11/2016 05:36

What scares me is that he has even got this close ...... How ??????

swimmerforlife · 07/11/2016 06:14

I'm appalled how these two got nominated, I cannot believe these are the Presidential candidates of 2016.

Trump is an absolute imbecile and I'm shit scared that we will go into W111 with Russia if Clinton becomes a Present and I believe Clinton has done some well dodgy stuff in the past going back many years. However, the only thing that makes Clinton slightly better is that at least she knows how to run a Government, she has 30 odd years experience of being a Politician.

MsHooliesCardigan · 07/11/2016 08:43

I know the word Narcissist is bandied around a lot on here but Trump is the living embodiment of narcissism. He has a huge ego but also a very fragile one as evidenced my his grudge bearing and his need to go after anyone who dares to disagree with him. That's a really scary trait in someone running the country. Can you imagine how he'd react if he experienced what happened to TM at the hands of the judiciary last week? He'd be trying to get the judges assassinated.

Lweji · 07/11/2016 08:44

Not really - the US recovered from the hanging chads fiasco

But Gore is nothing like Trump. I'm truly worried that, even if Hillary has a clear win, Trump will essentially incite riots. He's already priming his supporters.

wasonthelist · 07/11/2016 09:30

I'm truly worried that, even if Hillary has a clear win, Trump will essentially incite riots.

If there's one thing Trump is - it's bloke with an eye to main chance - what would be his advantage there? There's no gain for him, so why would he do it? Not saying he won't, or you're wrong, but I want to believe even Trump would realise there would be no point.

Lweji · 07/11/2016 10:16

What does he gain by becoming president if all his companies would have to go to a blind trust?

Anything other than fully accepting the result could be dangerous, after all this priming of his electorate.

SpareASquare · 07/11/2016 10:26

His supporters do have some imbeciles among them but there are others who are intelligent, thoughtful and genuinely think Clinton is worse
No. Intelligent and thoughtful would not vote for Trump.

The Americans have had years of hearing stuff about the Clintons that we haven't so some see her as the worst option
Yes, that is true. Ever since she refused to bake the damn cookies. It has been relentless since then. You'd think that something would have stuck huh? How many years and how many millions? To not be able to see past Faux News and beyond the memes does't really say much about the intelligence of a Trump voter. Perfect she is not but the ridiculousness of the shit put out is mindnumbing.

This is an article by John Pilger about Hillary that scares me to death
You have read his stuff right?

And whoever it was that said if Hillary was a man she''d never have 'gotten away with it" (whatever 'it' is) This had me rolling. Seriously. The stupidity of that statement.

LowDudgeon · 07/11/2016 10:34

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/06/hillary-clinton-white-house-donald-trump-bullying-barbara-kingsolver?CMP=fb_gu

Brilliant piece by Barbara Kingsolver.

'I’m horrified to watch the bizarre pageant of my nation pretending these two contenders are equivalent. No one really imagines Donald Trump applying himself to the disciplines of the presidency, staying up late reading reams of legislation, instead of firing off juvenile tweets. It’s even harder to imagine Clinton indulging in the boorish self-aggrandisement, intellectual laziness, racism and vulgar contempt for the opposite gender that characterise her opponent. If anyone still doubts that the inexperienced man gets promoted ahead of the qualified woman, you can wake up now.'

LowDudgeon · 07/11/2016 10:38

In terms of intelligence & energy levels Trump is probably not that different from Reagan, but in pretty much every other area he's like a toddler on the verge of a tantrum.

BertrandRussell · 07/11/2016 10:41

"His supporters do have some imbeciles among them but there are others who are intelligent, thoughtful and genuinely think Clinton is worse"

Please can somebody link to an interview or a piece of writing by an intelligent, thoughtful Trump supporter?

MrsGwyn · 07/11/2016 10:53

What does he gain by becoming president if all his companies would have to go to a blind trust?

Quotes and interviews I've seen from him seem to indicate that neither he nor one of his sons understand what a blind trust actually is - they seem to think handing control over to his kids is a blind trust.

Whether that is a genuine not understanding or a no we don't intend to comply or think we have a way round it if it comes to it - don't know.

SerendipityPhenomenon · 07/11/2016 11:03

I wouldn't trust snopes.

Watch and make uo your own mind whether it is genuine or not about Danney Williams

Oh, I know, let's ignore all that pesky evidence stuff on snopes and instead go with gut feeling based on a short video. Especially when it conveniently coincides with our own preconceptions and prejudices.

LowDudgeon · 07/11/2016 11:25

Work your way through this list (if you have time) & see if you can prevent your jaw from dropping.

good example:

“Well I really watch the shows. You really see a lot of great, you know, when you watch your show and all of the other shows, and you have the generals and you have certain people that you like.” (Donald Trump during an interview on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” on August 16, 2015, trying to name his foreign policy advisors)

www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/the-155-craziest-things-trump-said-this-cycle-214420

There are some links to other interesting articles on the right. The Harry Reid one about Nevada is cheering.

wasonthelist · 07/11/2016 13:24

What does he gain by becoming president if all his companies would have to go to a blind trust?

Well he'd be getting a regular salary for 4 years for one thing - his adventures in business haven't all been roaring successes. After it ends, he'd have a guaranteed income for ever from books and speeches. It might be a good time to get rid of his unpredictable business empire, especially if his policies as President wreck the economy.

ThisIsReallyNotMyName · 08/11/2016 00:31

Trump is an absolute imbecile and I'm shit scared that we will go into W111 with Russia if Clinton becomes a Present and I believe Clinton has done some well dodgy stuff in the past going back many years. However, the only thing that makes Clinton slightly better is that at least she knows how to run a Government, she has 30 odd years experience of being a Politician.

Really???!!!! If you look at her track record it is a long consistent list of non delivery and failure.

SpareASquare · 08/11/2016 02:38

I'm not even sure that I 'fear' Trump as president. It's more a sadness that the US will have shown the world who they really are.

Of course, I feel for those who will have to live under his rule, the rights lost and the economic impact domestically and globally. So whilst the negatives of a Trump presidency worry and concern me, it's more the deep sadness over the realisation of the true face of America should he win.

DixieWishbone · 08/11/2016 03:23

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SpareASquare · 08/11/2016 03:53

Dixie, I do understand that and do sincerely apologise if you took offence.

I have many good friends in the US who are horrified by Trump and the message he is sending the world. I feel though that if the majority support him and he wins, THAT is who America has become and, more importantly, wish to be.

Goes the other way as well. If HRC wins, the US is standing against this foul, dangerous man. I guess I see this election far more than any others in my memory as a line in the sand. The 'message' is clear.

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