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To be aghast if Trump loses?

230 replies

PlanIsNoPlan · 05/11/2016 19:07

Is there actually an Asylum big enough to take him and his ego? What will he do? How will he recover from his defeat? I'm also worried about Hill's voice - she'll have to do her acceptance speech just smiling knowingly.

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Rainbunny · 05/11/2016 21:22

"Trump is all Corporation" and a terrible one at that, he is actually a pretty lousy and borderline felonious businessman.

Newsweek calculated that If Donald Trump had invested the money his father left him in the stock market, then done nothing else, he would now be 3 times more wealthy than he is today.

Lweji · 05/11/2016 21:24

It's not so much being against the establishment. It's more how the grenade explodes.
Revolutions are always dangerous times.

I actually live in a country that went through one, during my life time, and it worked out. But it could easily have gone pear shaped, as it has in many others.

CheerfulYank · 05/11/2016 21:24

I wasn't talking about you, Spunky. :)

AteRiri · 05/11/2016 21:25

Yeah, I agree. Please post the evidence against Hillary.

Otherwise it will just be like Trump's speeches (you know, the ones that go like I have the best plan, the very best plan, it's been checked by the best people, and the best people said it's the best plan)

LowDudgeon · 05/11/2016 21:25

www.cnbc.com/2016/07/18/donald-trumps-ghostwriter-says-he-regrets-art-of-the-deal.html

today he would call that book "The Sociopath"

Trump is a guy with a hairtrigger temper who whinges about not being able to use nuclear weapons. if he wins he has access to the weapons, & if some other country pisses him off he can nuke them (unless someone in the military is prepared to stand up to him)

this is the most worrying thought of all for me. whatever Hillary has or hasn't done in the past, she certainly isn't a sociopathic idiot

Cherrysoup · 05/11/2016 21:33

Trump appears to evade all questions pertaining to policies. Does he actually know anything about politics?

Debate before last, he claimed that he was against abortion (eh, whose body is it?!) because 'they rip babies out of the womb at 9 months and leave them to die'. Even someone with zero medical qualifications must realise that a) that's not physically possible b) 9 month babies tend to be fine. I wonder if he knows how long gestation is?

He says his only thing in common with Ivanka is sex. Huh? He claims that China 'invented' global warming to increase business. It terrifies me to think that he will have a metaphorical finger on the nuclear button.

Didn't it use to be that the candidate had to be old fashioned married to first partner still? He's been through three partners, I think? It's terrifying how it's basically down to money who gets in. The whole Bush fiasco was bank roll yer way into power, even if yer don't have two brain cells to rub together.

MsJamieFraser · 05/11/2016 21:33

I think anyone who votes for him has a low IQ, however I dont think Hilary is overly better, just the better of a bad bunch!

Im glad I live in the UK.

I dont care if anyone is offended by my comment, hes an orange C**T!

Aroundtheworldandback · 05/11/2016 22:45

I'm struggling to understand why a country of that size and diversity can come up with only those two candidates.

JoyLibs · 05/11/2016 22:57

It's terrifying, and as an American, I honestly feel so sad, scared, and ashamed that it's come down to this. I wish I could say with certainty that Hillary will win, but I can't. I'm overnighting my absentee ballot (thanks for getting it to me with only a couple days to spare, hometown government!!), but in the end, my vote doesn't do much. I'm from a state that is overwhelmingly democrat and has a small population, so not much influence in the electoral college. But god, to think an ill-informed, corrupt racist and misogynist like Trump could win...what has the world come to?

Rainbunny · 05/11/2016 23:04

Well in the current state of things you'd have to have two qualities in immense amounts:

  1. Ego
  2. Masochism and/or delusional thinking.

Clinton's nomination is easy to understand, she's been the candidate in waiting since Obama beat her for the candidacy in 2008 and his VP Biden decided not to try.

Trump on the other hand is believe it or not, the only candidate I think who would have gotten the nomination anyway. The GOP is so divided now between the grass-roots tea party types who like Trump and the establishment GOP politicians that half of their own party despises because they hate elite Washington politics so much. It took an outrageous outsider who doesn't believe in anything and doesn't care who he offends to get enough support from GOP voters to get the nomination. Trump's prior fame on tv also gave him an edge with his core voters, any other "outsider" candidate would have been relatively or completely unknown in the parts of the USA that support Trump so it would have been harder to gain trust.

I remember years ago when people would say how they wished Oprah Winfrey would run for President as a democrat- her tv fame made her familiar to millions and people like to believe that the person they see on tv is like that and would therefore make a great leader. It's a populist instinct, trust in politicians has gone so people look to familiar figures who give comforting, simple (well Trump's case completely incoherent) answers to complex issues.

PickledCauliflower · 05/11/2016 23:17

Trump isn't pretending to be a mysoginst - he is a mysoginist.

I am no expert on American politics and not pretending to be one - but Trump as a the best bet here?
He has no political experience - he is a billionare on the backs of other people's work. He is capitalist in the extreme, but sadly is also an abuser of women.
Hilary Clinton gets a lot of flack because her husband had an affair with Monica Lewinsky. Is that fair?
My husband had an affair in the 1990s too. I hope that doesn't make me shit at my job.
How may affairs has Monica Clinton had? How many affairs has Donald trump had?

Cherrysoup · 05/11/2016 23:19

Do we think Michelle Obama will be standing next time round?!

LowDudgeon · 05/11/2016 23:25

I'd love it if she did, but I wouldn't blame her at all if she didn't

Pluto30 · 05/11/2016 23:45

Michelle Obama vs Ivanka Trump would be an interesting election.

Or Trump vs Sanders (as it should've been).

LowDudgeon · 06/11/2016 15:06

anybody here who genuinely thinks Trump winning wouldn't be bad news should read this:

www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-hired-me-as-an-attorneyplease-dont_us_579e52dee4b00e7e269fb30f?section=politics

Fortnum · 06/11/2016 15:21

He may actually surprise people if elected - who knows.

I don't have a dog in the fight though it is all hugely entertaining.

I would say that it is astounding how well he is doing considering the constant media storm of criticism and every celebrity in the US literally have seizures on TV over the fact that this man might just do it. In fact if Hillary loses it will be unfathomable - she has had the most one sided campaign in history.

Trump - Bit of a madman megalomaniac - will probably achieve some small stuff. Will build a wall.

Clinton. - A loathsome liar. Corrupt to the core. Will achieve the status quo, will disenfranchise the "deplorables" even further. Will get richer.

WLF46 · 06/11/2016 15:21

The though of Trump winning makes me terrified. He is a danger to the world and, at best, would be the worst president the USA has ever had - I include George W. Bush in that.

The though of Clinton winning makes me terrified. She is a danger to the world and, at best, would be the worst president the USA has ever had - I include George W. Bush in that.

We're fucked.

BertrandRussell · 06/11/2016 15:25

Please will some of you who are terrified at the thought of a Clinton presidency please explain, in words of one syllable, why?
Oh, and the person who said they don't have a dog in the fight please say where they live. Mars?

JustDanceAddict · 06/11/2016 15:28

I wouldn't discount anything after Brexit. The US polls are close and it's fucking scary.

DotForShort · 06/11/2016 15:34

This song sums up my current feelings:

www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2016/11/04/rachel_bloom_elizabeth_banks_and_more_sing_anti_trump_song_video.html?wpsrc=sh_all_dt_tw_top

I'm a US citizen. You better believe my vote is for Clinton. As far as I'm concerned, the two candidates barely inhabit the same planet.

LowDudgeon · 06/11/2016 15:45

He may actually surprise people if elected - who knows

only if he has a frontal lobotomy before taking office

ChubbyBubby · 06/11/2016 15:58

I'd be flabbergasted if he actually wins. It's the grimmest US election in my living memory, two terrible candidates, though Hilary is definitely the least worst option.

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BertrandRussell · 06/11/2016 16:12

Did you actually say "your average arab"? Grin*