To be aghast if Trump loses?

[PlanIsNoPlan]

Is there actually an Asylum big enough to take him and his ego? What will he do? How will he recover from his defeat? I'm also worried about Hill's voice - she'll have to do her acceptance speech just smiling knowingly.

[EverySongbirdSays]

Their Electoral College system is odd and slightly mystfying, ie each states votes count a different amount.

The California vote is huge, and Hillary has it in the bag.

Hopefully it will save her.

The Red States are the worry, but due to his behaviour and remarks I relly can't see anyone but uneducated white men (and a few women) voting for him. He certainly doesn't have the votes of anyone else

Even George Bush Snr in his 90s is voting Democrat for the first time in his life, it has been announced. He hasn't even got Republicans.

I have everything crossed.

[pipsqueak25]

i wonder if the i.s debated / fretted about brexit in the same way, obama aside? what ever happens there will be a lot of scare mongering among the truth.

[Marylou2]

I think the narrative here is very similar to Brexit. The 'I'm all right Jack" liberals who have no idea how the other half live and how uncontrolled immigration had ruined the lives and job prospects of ordinary Americans by driving wages down and crime up. Then they're surprised when they vote for an outsider who offers something other than the status quo. I don't envy my American friends the choice between these two.

[FerretFred]

theyve had nuclear weaponry since the 1930s

Did Robert Oppenheimer know? Could of saved him an awful lot of work....

[EverySongbirdSays]

I'm not saying Clinton is great either

To quote Hamilton (the musical)

"Clinton or Trump, you know it's lose/lose, Clinton or Trump but if you had to choose?"

[Pluto30]

Nothing to do with him, Ferret. They were developed on the suggestion of Einstein (and using his equation E=mc2) because it was believed that Germany was developing fission bombs in the 30s (they weren't, or at least not successfully). No denying that they've been around a bloody long time, and that the US is hardly short a weapon or two. Hell, the UK also has nukes but we're not hearing about that, are we?

[Seekingadvice123]

Trump is a truly disgusting excuse for a human being which has been shown time and time and time again. And yet this seems to have had no impact whatsoever. I cannot stand seeing his revolting face plastered all over the news. If he wins then let them get on with it... they will reap what they sow.

[Room101isWhereIUsedToLive]

A choice of two for three hundred and thirty million people is not democratic.
A choice of two for sixty million people is not democratic.
True democracy would be on a localised scale, with decisions being passed upwards.
I watched micheal moores trumpland the other night.
It was great, except for the fact, it didn't address the main problem. Large scale democracy isn't democratic. Its a way of making the population feel like they have some influence. Which they don't.
Representive democracy is not a proper democracy!!!

[KatharinaRosalie]

Like a PP said, he will just claim that election was all a fraud and he really won.

[JellyBelli]

Marylou2
Saying that people object to Trump because they are silly lefty liberals is ridiculous.Look at him. Look at this attitude towards women.

[EssentialHummus]

I'm not half as worried about Trump winning, as I am about the fact that so many Americans think he's the best person for the job.

FWIW, my ideal scenario is Clinton winning and then keeling over the next morning. Let her deputy take over, who can be properly advised to run the country in a moderate way.

I can't believe these are the two candidates best equipped to lead the free world . Terrifying.

[nocoolnamesleft]

Clinton as president scares me. Trump as president fucking terrifies me.

[PickledCauliflower]

I will eat my own leg if he wins, but I do think it's a thumbs down to the dems that Hilary ended up as their candidate. Their process is pretty fair - so I understand that she is their candidate, saying that.

I really can't see him getting anywhere. Would any woman vote for him? Really? I just can't see it happening.

[PlanIsNoPlan]

I'm sure Hill is saving "you're fired" for the right time and that will be her 'glory moment', one appreciated by millions worldwide. Hills has been married to a chartismatic disckhead but really nice guy for decades. Just like many MNers and she still isn't a bitch-cunt. Total Respect from me.

[SpunkyMummy]

essentialhummus

I 100% agree. That's the best we can hope for.

[megletthesecond]

Hillary's voice is going isn't it. She must be on industrial quantities of honey and lemon.

I've now gone into denial about next Weds / Thurs. Am planning on comfort eating my way through the fall out.

[Pluto30]

Bill Clinton a nice guy? Yep. Sure is. Cheating on his wife, claims of sexual assault/abuse, claims that he has other children etc. All points towards being a pretty nice guy.

[EnthusiasmDisturbed]

I just hope enough people come out and vote for Hilary but why when she has been so unpopular has she not stepped aside

i don't think it can be compared to brexit as the dislike of the eu is on the right and left of politics and had been an issue since joining Trump is firmly on the right but the similarities is immigration and a chance for a change

Many people in America (as here) have felt left behind and given the chance for change some are going to take that regardless of where it leads it's a chance that things may get better for them - I think it's really tragic that so many people feel that and politicians have to look at what they have done wrong

[SpunkyMummy]

In the 2008 presidential campaign, Hillary Clinton threatened to "totally obliterate” Iran with nuclear weapons. As Secretary of State under Obama, she participated in the overthrow of the democratic government of Honduras. Her contribution to the destruction of Libya in 2011 was almost gleeful. When the Libyan leader, Colonel Gaddafi, was publicly sodomised with a knife – a murder made possible by American logistics – Clinton gloated over his death: “We came, we saw, he died.”

One of Clinton’s closest allies is Madeleine Albright, the former Secretary of State, who has attacked young women for not supporting “Hillary”. This is the same Madeleine Albright who infamously celebrated on TV the death of half a million Iraqi children as “worth it”.


newmatilda.com/2016/03/23/john-pilger-why-hillary-clinton-is-more-dangerous-than-donald-trump/

[MuseumOfCurry]

I think the narrative here is very similar to Brexit. The 'I'm all right Jack" liberals who have no idea how the other half live and how uncontrolled immigration had ruined the lives and job prospects of ordinary Americans by driving wages down and crime up. Then they're surprised when they vote for an outsider who offers something other than the status quo. I don't envy my American friends the choice between these two.

Yes. HC is a powerful, establishment elite who has a laser-like focus on women and minorities - admirable, yes. Unfortunately the elephant in the room is that there's a wholesale devaluation of opportunity for non-affluent whites - they have been left behind. They can't relate to her ascension from lower-middle class to elite because it's all but impossible for them.

[ILostItInTheEarlyNineties]

Phew, I thought from your original title we had a Trump fan on Mumsnet

[CheerfulYank]

Pardon me but fuck all y'all talking smack about us in the middle.

I am a born and raised Midwestern American and my culture is guns and Jesus and farming and I'm With Her until the end. Hillary 2016!!!!!!!!!

[Rainbunny]

I can't bear to think that he could win but I'm prepared to face that reality if I have too.

I comfort myself with the fact that "demography is destiny" and the likes of Trump or other right wing GOP candidates achieving electoral success are diminishing rapidly in the near future, this is the last "hurrah" if you will for rural, white, lesser educated, right-wing christian (mostly males) as they are an ageing population in decline. I don't think they are enough to swing it for him this time either really (but daren't get complacent).

The GOP has spent the last few decades stirring up religious, sexist, racist intolerance in their supporters which has left them being the party that wants to kick out all immigrants, dislikes Mexicans and Muslims in particular, wants to control women's bodies and autonomy and insert Christianity further into government, schools and healthcare decisions. This is completely out of step with the changing demographics in the USA. Hispanic voters in particular are fast becoming a formidable voting block along with women. The GOP knows this of course but they can't seem to help themselves from pursuing anti-immigrant, sexist policies. They have to keep pandering to their ever-decreasing ageing right wing base.

To be honest, Trump wouldn't even be this close to winning if it weren't for the fact that he's running against Hillary Clinton. I think perhaps people outside of the States don't realise how intensely many Republican voters HATE her. My inlaws are decent people, religious and lifelong Republicans and unfortunately I know they will all vote for Trump because of the intensity of their hatred for Clinton - I can't fathom it but they strongly connect her to Bill Clinton whom they hate even more. They can't stand Trump but they'll vote for him because of this.

[CheerfulYank]

Bill Clinton does not have other children. They definitely would have been brought to light before.

[PlanIsNoPlan]

Pluto i get that - the "nice guy" is descriptive of many DHs described here, as in, the kind that appears nice unless you are married to them. Not so nice then. Really did start this thread because Trump doesn't appear to have a "Lose Policy" - in any way.