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...to give people assistance with claiming PIP?

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IwasateenagePIPassessor · 25/10/2016 22:08

No, of course I'm not BU. I'm just posting here for traffic. Name changed, obvs.

Bit of background; I was a PIP Disability Assessor for a while this year, until I decided that I couldn't work within the system with a good conscience, and left. I witnessed DA's who were trying their best, mostly, to help people with their claims. They (and I) were hamstrung both by our immediate employers, and a system (whether by accident or design) that discriminated against claimants with certain conditions. In the spirit of the release of 'I, Daniel Blake', which isn't about PIP but other failures of the benefit system, I've decided to give some general advice to those looking to claim PIP.

Firstly, let's look at initially making the claim. I would say the most vital point is this; PROVIDE EVIDENCE. The way that the claim form/questionnaire is worded implies that the DWP/ATOS/CAPITA or whoever will chase letters from GPS, specialists etc to back up your claim for you. In my experience, this doesn't happen. The onus is on you to provide this information, although it would be very easy to assume the opposite. Some photocopies of a recent prescription, letters detailing diagnoses and appointment dates, and evidence of secondary care involvement (especially people with mental health conditions) provide good evidence; if you haven't provided anything, then the DA has to go mostly on that short assessment with you. You may be horribly unwell or disabled for 5 days a week, if you're having a 'good day' on the assessment however, then your claim is in trouble. Evidence, Evidence, Evidence; I can't stress that enough. Don't let the DWP have the easy option; the decision they make is heavily dependent on the report written by the health professional that assesses you. The decision maker at the DWP has no medical qualifications of any sort.

If you have disabilities that cause you to have problems getting out (especially severe MH conditions), ask for a home assessment. The way the system is, if you have a MH condition involving severe anxiety or depression, or agoraphobia; then you attend a clinic appointment, it can be used as evidence that you aren't as bad as you claim that you are. The reasoning is that you can't be that ill if you can get to a clinic appointment. It's profoundly unfair, and a large part of why I left. Once again; evidence is so important.

Don't assume that the health professional that sees you knows much about your condition. In a working and well-designed system, those with certain conditions would be given appointments with HP's with a specialism in that area. It ain't so. You could get a general or MH nurse, an Occupational Therapist, a Physio or a Paramedic. It's completely random. If you can bring along a health professional of your own, then do. I'd advise anyone against attending by themselves. That's not because I don't trust the DA's; the vast majority are good people. It's just easy to forget things, and people with severe MH problems or learning disabilities/Autism really need an advocate of some sort.

If you're asked to do a set of 12 exercises (it's called the Musculoskeletal exam, or MSK), be sensible! I had people trying to please me by trying to do these despite evident pain; tell the DA why it would be difficult for you to do it. If you cannot do it, just do what you can and explain why. Completing those ridiculous exercises at personal cost, especially pain, will count against you. Don't make stuff up to help your claim (they'll see straight through it, and assume that you're dishonest), but don't put yourself at risk of harm by doing something that you can't. The DA has to take your safety into consideration when assessing what you can and can't do. Once again, evidence is key. If you need aids or adaptations to walk, or need to wear wrist supports etc, then bring/wear them. Help the DA to help you. They normally will.

Talking of assessments, if you report any MH conditions at all, then the DA will be observing you throughout the assessment for a Mental State Examination (MSE). In my opinion, this is even more badly designed that the MSK. A HP, who may or may not have any MH experience at all, will continually assess your mood, behaviour, anxiety etc throughout the assessment. It's completely subjective. If you have a serious MH condition, if you are in pain, if you are distressed or anxious then let it show to the DA. The stiff upper lip is the worst possible approach.

We were told that those 45 minutes were key. If a consultant wrote that you couldn't do something, then you did it in that 45 minute assessment (good day or not) then the weight of evidence would be on the assessment.

My opinion, for what it's worth, is that PIP discriminates against those with learning disabilities or MH conditions. Seriously. It's appalling. If you are turned down, then PLEASE appeal. You'd be surprised how many obtain PIP through appeal; it's often through providing further evidence. Don't give the DWP the chance to deny your rightful claim in the first place; provide that evidence when you first fill in the forms.

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meltdownsanonymous · 18/09/2017 23:26

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TestingTestingWonTooFree · 19/09/2017 10:00

A friend of mine waited 6 months between assessment and decision.

Mercedes519 · 03/10/2017 18:40

We had a home face to face today. The chap said 4-8 weeks.

He seemed nice but he asked the standard set of questions. He really pushed the cutting vegetables bit which DH could do at a pinch but a) couldn’t stand to cook and b) is clinically depressed as well as physically disabled so couldn’t be bothered to cook or eat.

But it’s so broad I don’t know whether we will be successful. He can navigate his way somewhere and handle a simple transaction we wouldn’t score any points there. The fact he doesn’t do either of those things and barely leaves the house seems a moot point in the tick box assessment.

We also didn’t send much medical evidence in the form (fell for the ‘we’ll contact your doctor line’). Is it worth sending it now?

Aftereights91 · 15/12/2017 13:58

Does anybody know if you are likely to be turned down for pip if you have small children? Will they see it as if you can take care of your toddler and baby then you don't need help?

NoSuchThingAsThePerfectParent · 15/12/2017 21:55

It could do - unless you show that you need help with the children.

I had to go through who helps me with what.

Apparently PIP is also about what help you need, not just the help you actually get.

So, for example, I need someone to babysit my children while I sleep, every time my husband is at work. I also need help with school runs and can't drive very far at all.

I give them hot school dinners so I only have to do them toast or sandwich when they get home, as I can't concentrate on cooking most days.

I can't go food shopping so I get grocery deliveries, that sort of thing.

TwoBobs · 15/12/2017 22:03

Well done OP!

shazzamac · 16/08/2018 00:58

Hi i am going for a f2f assessment this tuesday. Can you tell me if i can still submit new evidence and take it with me to the assessment or send it to DWP tomorrow to make sure they get it before my f2f on tuesday

Morrison40 · 07/09/2018 02:50

Hi I need some advice.I am currently getting esa and I am in the support group.for depression,colitis and ibs.was told I should think about applying for pip.I don't know if I should or not.

Metalhead · 07/09/2018 07:43

Morrison I would recommend phoning or dropping into Citizens Advice, they deal with benefits issues every day and will be able to help.

Febbie · 15/07/2021 18:43

Can anyone help us please my partner has just been informed by the DWP that he will be having an telephone interview with a compliance officer, his benefits are ESA & PIP SHOULD WE BE WORRIED

househousehousefox · 15/07/2021 18:47

hi

TestingTestingWonTooFree · 15/07/2021 18:52

Febbie, start your own thread, perhaps in chat. Don’t revive an ancient thread that’s not relevant.

You should be concerned. If it’s about PIP and ESA, it probably relates to his health/disability not being as bad as claimed. It’s in his interests to cooperate with the interviewer.

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