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...to give people assistance with claiming PIP?

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IwasateenagePIPassessor · 25/10/2016 22:08

No, of course I'm not BU. I'm just posting here for traffic. Name changed, obvs.

Bit of background; I was a PIP Disability Assessor for a while this year, until I decided that I couldn't work within the system with a good conscience, and left. I witnessed DA's who were trying their best, mostly, to help people with their claims. They (and I) were hamstrung both by our immediate employers, and a system (whether by accident or design) that discriminated against claimants with certain conditions. In the spirit of the release of 'I, Daniel Blake', which isn't about PIP but other failures of the benefit system, I've decided to give some general advice to those looking to claim PIP.

Firstly, let's look at initially making the claim. I would say the most vital point is this; PROVIDE EVIDENCE. The way that the claim form/questionnaire is worded implies that the DWP/ATOS/CAPITA or whoever will chase letters from GPS, specialists etc to back up your claim for you. In my experience, this doesn't happen. The onus is on you to provide this information, although it would be very easy to assume the opposite. Some photocopies of a recent prescription, letters detailing diagnoses and appointment dates, and evidence of secondary care involvement (especially people with mental health conditions) provide good evidence; if you haven't provided anything, then the DA has to go mostly on that short assessment with you. You may be horribly unwell or disabled for 5 days a week, if you're having a 'good day' on the assessment however, then your claim is in trouble. Evidence, Evidence, Evidence; I can't stress that enough. Don't let the DWP have the easy option; the decision they make is heavily dependent on the report written by the health professional that assesses you. The decision maker at the DWP has no medical qualifications of any sort.

If you have disabilities that cause you to have problems getting out (especially severe MH conditions), ask for a home assessment. The way the system is, if you have a MH condition involving severe anxiety or depression, or agoraphobia; then you attend a clinic appointment, it can be used as evidence that you aren't as bad as you claim that you are. The reasoning is that you can't be that ill if you can get to a clinic appointment. It's profoundly unfair, and a large part of why I left. Once again; evidence is so important.

Don't assume that the health professional that sees you knows much about your condition. In a working and well-designed system, those with certain conditions would be given appointments with HP's with a specialism in that area. It ain't so. You could get a general or MH nurse, an Occupational Therapist, a Physio or a Paramedic. It's completely random. If you can bring along a health professional of your own, then do. I'd advise anyone against attending by themselves. That's not because I don't trust the DA's; the vast majority are good people. It's just easy to forget things, and people with severe MH problems or learning disabilities/Autism really need an advocate of some sort.

If you're asked to do a set of 12 exercises (it's called the Musculoskeletal exam, or MSK), be sensible! I had people trying to please me by trying to do these despite evident pain; tell the DA why it would be difficult for you to do it. If you cannot do it, just do what you can and explain why. Completing those ridiculous exercises at personal cost, especially pain, will count against you. Don't make stuff up to help your claim (they'll see straight through it, and assume that you're dishonest), but don't put yourself at risk of harm by doing something that you can't. The DA has to take your safety into consideration when assessing what you can and can't do. Once again, evidence is key. If you need aids or adaptations to walk, or need to wear wrist supports etc, then bring/wear them. Help the DA to help you. They normally will.

Talking of assessments, if you report any MH conditions at all, then the DA will be observing you throughout the assessment for a Mental State Examination (MSE). In my opinion, this is even more badly designed that the MSK. A HP, who may or may not have any MH experience at all, will continually assess your mood, behaviour, anxiety etc throughout the assessment. It's completely subjective. If you have a serious MH condition, if you are in pain, if you are distressed or anxious then let it show to the DA. The stiff upper lip is the worst possible approach.

We were told that those 45 minutes were key. If a consultant wrote that you couldn't do something, then you did it in that 45 minute assessment (good day or not) then the weight of evidence would be on the assessment.

My opinion, for what it's worth, is that PIP discriminates against those with learning disabilities or MH conditions. Seriously. It's appalling. If you are turned down, then PLEASE appeal. You'd be surprised how many obtain PIP through appeal; it's often through providing further evidence. Don't give the DWP the chance to deny your rightful claim in the first place; provide that evidence when you first fill in the forms.

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IwasateenagePIPassessor · 27/02/2017 14:12

Just a quick pop in to leave this here:

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/here-conditions-dont-make-you-9925399

If you voted for this shower of cunts, I really don't know how you sleep at night.

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denise0154 · 23/07/2017 00:32

Have just been awarded PIP and yes even professionals advised me to act out as if it was my worst day. Just as luck had it, it was a really bad day and couldn't do the physical test as was in sooooo much pain and had to return to bed.
Terrible when someone is genuinely ill you have to go through so much sh..t. I have always worked hard all my life caring for disabled people, the last thing I wanted was to be unable to work through a disability. This thread is really helpful to people, thank you. X

Serialweightwatcher · 04/08/2017 14:39

I have just been refused - I have extremely bad anxiety, to the extent that I can't leave the house without my partner and very rarely do in any event - when I had the appointment I was a complete wreck - had to go into town with partner and felt completely ill - was crying when I got there and shaking and she put that I can go out if prompted - not true ... I actually can't go to a familiar place without accompaniment at all ... so fed up because I don't want to have to go through all this again, it makes me feel so ill

CockacidalManiac · 04/08/2017 17:23

OP here, under my usual name. It's now 12 months since I stopped being an assessor, but I think the advice to always appeal is still true. I think it's 7 out of 10 people are successful on appeal.
I'm sorry you're having suck a tough time.

CockacidalManiac · 04/08/2017 17:25

It seems my experience that those with invisible illnesses are horribly discriminated against by PIP is still true.

Ewanwhosearmy · 04/08/2017 17:46

DS (27) has been on DLA since he was 7 yo and has recently had a PIP assessment. The foreign nurse who assessed him decided that as he was capable of working FT in a call centre he wasn't disabled and therefore scored him zero for Every. Single. Question. Angry. She completely ignored the fact that he works temp contracts in a call centre despite having a degree because he has ADHD etc and doesn't fit in to a better paid job.

I asked for a copy of the report and honestly her English was so poor that I wouldn't have employed her, and that made me even more annoyed.

I appealed and asked for a reconsideration and he's been awarded Standard Rate. He's lost over £100 a month as he was on MRC and LRM but I don't want to chance going to tribunal and losing the lot.

It isn't fair to make people jump through hoops like this. My DS has got me to fight for him but people with nobody are just stuck.

Dolallytats · 04/08/2017 18:19

Yep, invisible illnesses are really difficult when it comes to getting PIP. I was awarded standard for both following a tribunal in 2015. This is for severe agoraphobia, severe anxiety and depression. I had to reapply in Feb and got refused, despite having letters from my GP, psychologist and a psychiatrist I has an assessment with. I also had letters from my family members and a diary showing a week in my virtually housebound life. I have been like this for 12 years. I have had loads of therapy of different kinds and with different people, but I'm still not able to go further than 10mins from my house on foot, and only with my 'safe person'.
My tribunal was refused this time, apparently using the medical evidence that I sent. The evidence that said I have a long history of agoraphobia and have not been responsive to the treatment despite my best efforts, It was decided that I have 'moderate' anxiety and I only need encouragement to leave my house.
I read that the DWP have to give a reason for not giving PIP again if you have been awarded previously, but no-one has said anything to me. I am now reapplying and have asked for a statement of reasons to see if I can go to upper tribunal. I spoke to my MP and he has written to the DWP. He is waiting for their reply to see if it helps.
It's really frustrating and depressing to feel that you are not believed.

Serialweightwatcher · 04/08/2017 18:25

Dollytats sorry you're suffering how I suffer - it's horrendous - I've had it for 9 years ... I've just written the letter asking for the reconsideration but reading your response I've got no chance. I saw a Psychologist years ago but because it's a certain amount of sessions that ended and I've just started CBT again - I won't take medication because I'm petrified after a bad experience with anti depressants. What I don't understand is I know people who have 'anxiety' and are able to go out and get on a bus etc and they have got it whereas I don't have a life without my partner helping me and even then I can't go far ... it's not fair at all because as we know, it's so debilitating. Thank you OP for coming back ... your post was helpful but it seems we are stuffed before we start Sad

Dolallytats · 04/08/2017 20:16

Oh, SSW, I hope you have more success than I did. As I have had to reapply, I actually got help with filling the form in as, stupidly, you have to be careful how you word things so you are taken seriously. Get ready to take it to tribunal-not that they listened to my GP or psychologist, y'know the medical professionalsHmm
Over the years, I have had hypnotherapy twice, my sister paid for me to have a session with a guy in Harley Street who used a tapping technique, I've had two lots of private counselling, 4 lots of CBT and I'm on my 3rd lot of psychology. That's not to mention the endless exposure therapy I have tried over and over, with some lovely successes that have never lasted longer than a few weeks before a huge panic attack has scared me stupid and left me even less able to leave the house than before.
I'm really frustrated with myself and I do stupid things like go on to Google maps just so that I can go on a virtual walk along the streets I used to physically go down and to the places I used to go. It's awful.

On a lighter note, your user name made me laugh because that is me!!! I have piled on 6 stone over the last 12years thanks to not being able to get out......and feeling hugely depressed about not being able to get out. Big vicious circle!!

Dolallytats · 04/08/2017 20:17

I meant SWW, of courseBlush

PutItOnYourPancake · 04/08/2017 21:13

Thank you so much OP. My dad has just been turned down for a PIP and I will be reading this to him. Massive thank you.

Serialweightwatcher · 04/08/2017 21:51

Dolallytats I've just realised I called you Dollytats before so we're quits lol ... can't bloody concentrate because of it either Grin ... I once tried hypnotherapy but couldn't relax for it to work ... ugh - if you ever need to vent or need a chat, message me - kindred spirits and all that Flowers

tolerable · 16/08/2017 20:43

oh I wish i'd seen this sooner! I had dla.(mh)..went to assessment..and have been refused pip. they have provided reasons on the reection letter...tho tbh none of the conclusions appear to have been drawn from responses I gave at the interview.i really don't know how to proceed..every time I try to read the instructions I get in a tizzy.

FreyaJade · 16/08/2017 21:18

Glad I've seen this - I'm on low rate DLA which is an extra £80 a month I really need as I can only work part time.

Dreading getting the letter saying I'll have to apply for PIP.

I present as a well functioning person but I'm heavily medicated for psychosis, depression & epilepsy & the meds don't always work that well.

I actually used to work with a staff nurse who has changed jobs & now carries out assessments for the DWP locally. I don't know how she can do the job in all conscience!! It would be weird if she had to do my assessment!

Serialweightwatcher · 17/08/2017 11:05

When I was refused I couldn't understand it because I can't go out alone at all and even then, not far. When Welfare Rights sent me the descriptors to begin with I was entitled due to one of the questions saying basically 'cannot undertake a familiar journey without assistance etc' ... apparently in March the government in their wisdom (considering they're going all out to say they want to help people with mental health problems) changed the wording to 'other than for psychological reasons, cannot undertake a familiar journey etc etc' ... this leaves everyone with anxiety/depression/ptsd etc unable to qualify at all for the mobility side of it - it's completely disgusting. I have written to ask for reconsideration but it is highly unlikely considering the new wording ... I shall then have to apply for an appeal (outcome of which highly unlikely considering the above) and I honestly don't think I can face it, but all of us affected by this do need to push for it and hope it can get changed because it's dreadful what they have done

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TestingTestingWonTooFree · 18/09/2017 21:52

DLA continues until 28 days after a PIP decision.

TentUpFirstBunkUpLater · 18/09/2017 22:02

I would just like to add, forget pride. I know someone that did not want to admit the truth and it went against them. As stated above treat the assessment day as if it were the very worst day you are having. Say how bad it is. Do you need help dressing? Yes. When was the last time you had a shower/bath? Don't say today (because it probably was not).
After your assessment, you should get an answer within two weeks. well thats what they say
If you dont contact them

DamnFineCherryPie · 18/09/2017 22:04

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kaykay72 · 18/09/2017 22:07

A friends pip, which had been awarded for 5 years for longstanding issues was removed - apparently having a (previously undiagnosed) brain tumour removed cures completely unrelated issues Hmm

Friend appealed, an assessor came out to see her at home. Son let the chap in, he declined a cup of tea because of the number of appointments he had to get to. The appeal was declined because she had shown she was physically improving as she answered the door, and that her self care capability was improved as she'd gone to the kitchen to make tea.

She hadn't got off the sofa for the whole appointment.

TentUpFirstBunkUpLater · 18/09/2017 22:58

Both times they were face to face at a centre. The first time, they were very quick, we were turned down and the appeal took months. Also turned down. The second time it took six weeks because they were 'busy'. Sucessfull, and backdated. We are thinking of appealing the original first decision, but not sure if that is possible. It was very very hard and on top of coming to terms with a change in life circumstances, it's all pretty shitty.

ciele · 18/09/2017 23:20

Thanks

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