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To continue to wonder who is happy with where Brexit is heading

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Bearbehind · 25/10/2016 15:44

Whilst I'm sure Leavers will undoubtedly think AIBU the last thread filled up so here's another 1000 opportunities to discuss what you think about where Brexit is heading.

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MrsBernardBlack · 26/10/2016 20:02

Remainers are articulating clearly and with evidence why they fear what is happening and will happen.

Really Hully? Where is your evidence, you haven't given any examples. Personally I have seen precious little of this on this thread. Take this, from the previous page.

Finally the youth unemployment thing? If you voted to leave you have basically voted for an economic downturn here, and there will be one this is just the phoney war stage of brexit, if you cared so much about unemployment here you wouldn't have voted for brexit.

No evidence, nothing. Just the usual hysterical, hand-wringing Remoaner crap, dripping with that self-righteousness that they are right and everyone who disagrees with them is wrong.

It cannot possibly be accurately predicted by anyone that, because things are bumpy now (due in large part to the fact that there is still uncertainly following the surprise vote of only a few months ago), that after Brexit we will have an economic downturn and unemployment at a level anywhere near what we are seeing in the Mediterranean economies.

Most of the Remain arguments on this thread are of a similar standard - demanding facts and evidence, but providing none of their own. But you are all so deluded that you can't even see that you are doing it.

ThroughThickAndThin01 · 26/10/2016 20:04

Quite MrsBernard

autumnintheair · 26/10/2016 20:07

People who voted for it have very different ideas about what brexit should mean

Grin but the main reason is to leave the EU!

Is this so hard to understand, we do not want closer political union with the EU.
I can just imagine the powers that were - " Oh we cant try and bring down communism because we have no plan as to what post communist worlds will look like"
" True, lets just leave Communism in place then across Eastern Europe"

Or the children who became adults under Nazi's " We are not keen on the Third Reich but lets carry on anyway because there is no formed idea of what a post Third Reich Germany would look like"

I could go on with every major event in history where huge change has happened when there simply cannot be a plan.

smallfox2002 · 26/10/2016 20:10

No evidence, nothing. Just the usual hysterical, hand-wringing Remoaner crap, dripping with that self-righteousness that they are right and everyone who disagrees with them is wrong.

No evidence of a downturn? The fact that growth is lower than was expected than without Brexit? The value of the pound being at a level it hasn't been for decades. Firms stalling investment, banks thinking of moving, car firms debating staying in the UK a potential £88bn black hole in public finances in the next two. Nooo there's no evidence for any of that.

Or actually, is it just in the news every day and you are ignoring it.

Deluded? I think that's you mate.

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Bearbehind · 26/10/2016 20:10

mrsbernard the point you have spectularly missed is that people are 'articulating their fears'.

There's an awful lot of uncertainty at the moment because Leavers choose this path for us all.

If it's such a fabulous decision then surely those fears can and should be reassured when we are told all the reasons we have nothing to fear.

Except, aside from the sound of a few flags waving, there's a deafening silence.

If we are so deluded, why can't you explain why the future looks bright instead of lashing out at those who don't share your optimism?

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smallfox2002 · 26/10/2016 20:13

Autumn, how many fallacies can you fit into one argument?

autumnintheair · 26/10/2016 20:14

Most of the Remain arguments on this thread are of a similar standard - demanding facts and evidence

Its the only line of attack they can cling too because as I tried to illustrate above - how can you give a plan or predict what exactly will happen at such a time?

I mean, when people voted in 1975 to join common market, what did they vote for?

What was the plan? Was it laid out in a clear manner - " you are voting for X now - but in decades to come we want an EU army, we want close political union?"

If not, then you cannot really count the vote to join in the first place can you. It seems to me - it was those initial voters who voted us in - were the ones who were lied too, who were mis sold a project that has morphed into something totally different to what they were supposed to be voting for.

This vote is much clearer because we know what we are leaving.

WrongTrouser · 26/10/2016 20:15

I have not insulted anyone on this thread or any other. It is wrong for anyone to dish out insults. Just because some people do it, that does not make it right. Perhaps I should heed my own advice and pull up leave posters if they are being insulting.

small I really don't think I have ever given you any abuse. Please point our where I have and I will apologise.

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Bearbehind · 26/10/2016 20:17

This vote is much clearer because we know what we are leaving.

But we have no fucking idea what we are going to Hmm

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MiladyThesaurus · 26/10/2016 20:17

Ok. So what does leaving the EU actually entail? It's clearly so obvioys and simple.

Do we leave the free market?

Do we leave the customs union?

What do we do about EU citizens already in the country?

What exactly is to be our relationship with the EU post-Brexit?

And so on.

There are an enormous number of things that brexit could look like but no one wants to actually say what it'll be. All this not wanting to show your cards for the negotiations thing is undemocratic bullshit.

smallfox2002 · 26/10/2016 20:19

Then I may have confused you for someone else, but I have taken a lot here in the last few days.

"Was it laid out in a clear manner - " you are voting for X now - but in decades to come we want an EU army, we want close political union?"

Both of which weren't actually possible and are utterly untrue but are great example of leave's post truth arguments.

WrongTrouser · 26/10/2016 20:20

Sorry, my last post was in reply to small 19.58 and 20.02

ParaPrincess · 26/10/2016 20:24

I'm finding it hard to be enthusiastic about Brexit. No matter what eventually happens we will plod a long like we always do.

autumnintheair · 26/10/2016 20:28

Sorry small I dont understand your point.

What was voted for in 1975 was not - what we have today.
Many people including my own DP voted IN in 1975 and voted OUT now.

Or are you trying to say - what they voted for in 1975 is exactly the same as what we have now? I don't understand - either its the same or its different. If its different and people are/were unhappy with the change then its right to have another vote.

ThroughThickAndThin01 · 26/10/2016 20:30

Milady obviously it's not simple! Why would you think it is? It will be incredibly complex and complicated to extricate the UK. Which is why quite rightly May isn't rushing. Doesn't mean it isn't the right thing to do.

Could you tell me exactly what remaining in the EU would actually entail?

surferjet · 26/10/2016 20:31

I don't want to be thread police, but why are referendum threads appearing in chat & Aibu now? - can't you stick to the appropriate board?

smallfox2002 · 26/10/2016 20:33

Well you used the EU army etc as your point, which was used by the leave argument.

Saying its not what we voted for in 1975 is again fallacious because almost every political insitution and organisation has changed in the way it operates since then.

But with the EU the vast majority of its work is still to do with trade, the regulations, the tax policies, the Euro, subsides and rules on government support, employment laws etc. All to do with trade.

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Bearbehind · 26/10/2016 20:34

surfer if you don't like it don't click on it and sure as shit don't post on it.

As has been said numerous times, every thread in AIBU/chat could be put in a specialist section but it is a general area for general conversations, which this thread is.

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TheElementsSong · 26/10/2016 20:35

can't you stick to the appropriate board?

Do you routinely demand this of other threads?

ThroughThickAndThin01 · 26/10/2016 20:37

I'm surprised it's been allowed to stand tbh. They're normally moved.

smallfox2002 · 26/10/2016 20:38

People requested that it stay here.

surferjet · 26/10/2016 20:39

I hid the ref board because I was getting sick of seeing threads about it, & now here they are popping up all over the place - Brexit is a very specific subject, unlike relationships for example. You should stick these questions in the proper place.

smallfox2002 · 26/10/2016 20:40

Well lots of people disagreed with you and asked that it stay here.

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Bearbehind · 26/10/2016 20:41

Why is it that it's Leavers who want this thread moved?

Why can't you even bare to see the subject in any other area than the EU ref section?

Why are you so intent on stifling discussions about Brexit?

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ThroughThickAndThin01 · 26/10/2016 20:43

one leaver isn't it Bearbehind?