To continue to wonder who is happy with where Brexit is heading

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Whilst I'm sure Leavers will undoubtedly think AIBU the last thread filled up so here's another 1000 opportunities to discuss what you think about where Brexit is heading.

oh, and "people don't agree with me because I am unable to present a coherent, logical reasoned argument to advance my point of view" is not the same as "being sidelined"

I honestly think David Cameron was a hubristic idiot (with no leadership skills) for having even started down the referendum road. He called a totally ambiguous referendum where it was completely unclear what leaving the EU even meant, presumably because he thought his side would win and that'd never be an issue.

People who voted for it have very different ideas about what brexit should mean (and nearly half the voting population didn't want anything that might be called brexit anyway). So now no one actually knows what the public actually wanted and the fools in charge of the whole thing are just taking what Paul Dacre says as if he is the mouthpiece for an extremely heterogenous group of brexit voters.

It's a total bloody farce. At the very least we could have a general election and then people could vote based on manifestos setting out what brexit should mean. But we can't and won't because none of the fuckers have a clue what they think brexit should mean never mind what anyone else thinks.

In the 22nd century 16 year olds will sit in history classes talking about what a collossal idiot David Cameron was for starting out on the whole road without offering clear, concrete choices. Instead he achieved a big mess and created loads of resentment among the population.

I mean does anyone genuinely believe that the government know what they're doing? I think I'd rather entrust the brexit negotiation process to my local primary school's pupil council than Westminster at the moment.

Both my parents voted in at the 1975 referendum and both voted out this year. They said what they voted for then was not what we have now.

Yes, well, they don't have Jobs to worry about anymore do they?

I agree, milady

All this 'will of the people' is getting quite sinister IMO.

I've not seen it myself but if, as said up thread, TM's response to the Goldman Sachs leak was 'this is the will of the people' rather than attempt to defend her stance and justify why she now thinks Brexit will be successful, that is pretty terrifying.

If even she can't find anything positive to say in response to that leak then it's probably too much to ask that anyone on here can do so.

Really doesn't bode well for the future though does it?

Jaybee I don't know if your question was asked of me but if so then yes they do still have jobs to worry about as they are both still working.

Makes them stupid then.

I mean for not taking into account the economic impact of leaving

Sunderland will get it soon too. A relative told me that they'd never find a workforce as good, they can and they will.

Wow small what an assumption to make.

Wow, I've just found the TM spokeswoman quote

Asked if Mrs May stood by the comments, her spokeswoman said: "The point now is that the British people have voted to leave the European Union and the Prime Minister is focused on how we make that work in the best interests of Britain.”

It obvious Remaihers will find that completely unacceptable but how can Leavers defend that.

Those announcements are very carefully scripted.

She might as well have said 'yep, I completely stand by my comments and I do think it will be an absolute disaster but there's a load of people who think they know better so what else can i do except carry out their wishes then say 'I told you so'

There was me thinking this was a reasoned debate and as a leaver happy to engage against the grain and the very first statement is my parents are stupid. What a condescending and downright blanket statement to make. I'm out.

Byeeee

Oh I do so love a good flounce.

What I find interesting is that this thread is very much a reflection of what is happening in RL.

Remainers are articulating clearly and with evidence why they fear what is happening and will happen.

Leavers have no arguments or plans, just vague wishful thinking that we will magically paint the globe pink again and all will be for the best in the best of all possible worlds. Mr Pangloss is alive and kicking.

we decided for their future and all that along with dont you dare insinuate I don't have the best of my children in my mind. Honestly

Just for clarity Valentine when we discussed this yesterday, you clarified for me that when you talk about leave voters not caring about their children's futures, I (and presumably other leave voters) should not take "my children" to mean my children but rather some generic children as, as I explained to you, my children agreed with voting to leave the EU but you got a bit angry when I started talking about my children's views.

I know people are angry but really, denigrating all leave voters (and tie yourself in knots as much as you like, saying that leave voters care less about their children/grandchildren/generic children/the next generation than remain voters is denigrating all leave voters) is really not the answer.

Boffered, so what your parents voted for in the 1970's is not what the UK is in now.

And is that their sole reason for voting Leave? Or did they have other reasons too?

Are they in jobs likely to be affected by Brexit then?

I wish Teresa May would call a general election based on leaving the EU.

I would vote for the party that would negotiate a return to the EU fold as we were.

Mumzy 'had a pop'? Ok. I thought I asked a question.
Incidentally, autocorrect failed to correct soell into spell, but you have spelt my name cardiback every time - that's not my name, and it's not what autocorrect does, so I don't think that's the reason for your error. Anyway, you clearly don't have any actual examples of opportunities and possibilities, so I'll stop engaging with you. That is a bit of a pop, for reference.

Boffered don't bother, it's not you.

So you think calling someone's parents stupid is okay? Really?

It doesn't surprise me that there are a few narrow minded people on these threads who really feel they are superior to others and have the right to make derogatory remarks to and about people they don't know. What does surprise me and sadden me is how few of the other remain posters take any responsibility for pulling up these posters, for example in the lovely example from small.

I have heard so often that remain voters (in contrast to leavers) are so tolerant, outward looking, thoughtful, inclusive, welcoming of difference etc, etc. Strange that isn't it, plenty of the opposite of all of these on display on this thread.

I would vote for the party that would negotiate a return to the EU fold as we were.

Someone somewhere in lib dem HQ is really, really hoping that the 'oh shit not actual brexit' vote is going to make them a party anyone cares about again.

Diddums wronng , I've taken loads of abuse, far worse than that from leavers including you here.

Or have you seen the "lock them in the tower" rhetoric that has been aimed at remainers too.

Moral high ground you have not.

"Strange that isn't it, plenty of the opposite of all of these on display on this thread."

Strange that when I , or others actually takes an argument by a leaver and points out the inconsistencies we get the gloaty, shut up you lost, recommended to leave the country or more remarks of that ilk.

After days of abuse I slip up once and you're all over me like a rash, still though its cause you can't justify your argument properly.

smallfox you haven't got the vote you wanted so you get mean. And nastier.Hmm. You are a great advert for listening and taking remainers seriously.