To continue to wonder who is happy with where Brexit is heading

[Bearbehind]

Whilst I'm sure Leavers will undoubtedly think AIBU the last thread filled up so here's another 1000 opportunities to discuss what you think about where Brexit is heading.

Either way it won't be taking 7 years to infinity as it does with the EU.

And we already have a blueprint from Canada.

olympia we can't do anything formal at all.

What happens behind the scenes will never be fully known but don't think for a second we'll have a loads of contracts to sign on the second anniversary of invoking a50.

It can't and won't happen.

It makes no sense for any country who also trades with the eu to enter any form of negotiation, formal or informal, with the UK until after we've come all the way through the article 50 process.

Partly because that until that is signed, sealed and delivered we are still part of the eu and all that work will have gone to waste should events happen that mean we remain. Probably unlikely after article 50 is triggered but it's a possibility that exists

But mainly because it works towards destabilising one of your other trade partners.

Either way it won't be taking 7 years to infinity as it does with the EU.

Eh? Who else, other than the EU, do you think we'll need to negotiate our EU deal with?

If you think they took ages withCanada why will it be different for us?

The deal will take as long to negiotate as either side chooses. We can't make it happen quicker.

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And won't it be glorious not to be tied to the EU laws that says we can't sign a trade agreement? Just another example of EU rigidity and overinflated egos.

Olympia : your glorious comment is right. The fresh air of freedom

It will be different with Canada because 1) we don't need 27 countries to agree. 2) we are not insistent on inconsequential rules and are more flexible. 3) we really want an agreement on mutual grounds not the one way street the EU insists on.

Why on earth would two trading nations who want to trade with one another put obstacles in each other's way? That's a crazy ridiculous argument. And when people start saying things that ridiculous, I'm out!

we don't need 27 countries to agree.

OMFG- I give up.

All the feels bear, all the feels

olympia, if you genuinely don't think all 27 countries need to agree didn't you think it was a bit odd the Belgium nearly banjaxed the whole Canadian deal?

Whilst the Canadian deal does give some way towards a possibility of deal with no FOM, its not as simple as 'hey, we'll use their blueprints'.

All country's deals are bespoke and we will have to have all 27 other EU country's agreement to trade with them in future. I can't put it quite as succinctly as here

The British government is wary of parallels with Canada, although a government source acknowledged that Ceta showed “if we do end up in a world of an FTA [free trade agreement] outside the EU it isn’t going to be terribly easy”. But the source rejected “slightly spurious analogies” with Canada. “Far from a free trade deal demolishing existing barriers, as with Canada, [the UK would be] in some ways erecting barriers that used not to be there, so it is a very different process.”

Bear,

There are several articles in the Times today about this. Although the final agreement needs to be unanimously agreed, there is nothing to stop us making an interim agreement based on qualified majority voting, which will be in place for as long as the negotiations are ongoing.

Olympia I would assume you mean dont need27 countries to agree a deal between us and canada

olympia I apologise because I think you did mean the deal between us and Canada above but my point still stands about our deal with the EU.

Bear. Why are you arguing against yourself? I'll say it simply.

27 countries need to agree which is why it took 7 years and was nearly derailed at the last minute.

As a single nation only 1 country (us) needs to agree a deal with Canada. Which is why it won't take 7 years!

And the EU still hasn't got a deal with America!

And of course it's not simple to make trading arangements but there are such things as blueprint to which will point negotiators in the right direction.

U.K. Is a trading nation, always has been. Do you think we are total novices?

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I understand what you are saying about Canada but they can't offer us what the EU can so our deal with the away is by far the priority.

larry I don't subscribe to the Times, could you copy and paste the article- sounds interesting.

I agree Canada can't offer us what the EU does, and the EU will need to trade with us as we will need to trade with them. If they want to play silly buggers and do a Walloon on us then we will all suffer. Hopefully German pragmatism will succeed.

Sadly the EU is one giant committee and we all know the one about the animal designed by a committee.

I voted because I don't like an unelected parliament making rules we all have to live by. Did you know the Scottish government voted for a minimum price on alcohol to help tackle the health problem but was overruled by Brussels because it went against competition? Where is that right? It's the whole argument in a nutshell for me.

there was never a commitment by anyone to evoke A50 immediately.

I missed this earlier olympia. Why do you think that is the case?

David Cameron said a50 would be invoked on 24th June.

I realise he lied but that doesn't change the fact he said it would happen and it is what Brexit predictions were based on.

wrong I've just managed to get past that Trump quote on the article. Its terrifying. Thank you for highlighting the article.

DC said that as another of the scare tactics. The actual brexiteers never said that. All the other scare tactics didn't come true in a lot of cases. The chancellor also said there would need to be an emergency budget. Another scare tactic.

Must get to tesco before it shuts. Need to get my marmite before they sell out because of Brexit.

Do you also not believe Phillip Hammond when he said that all the treasury models have gone out the window as article 50 wasn't instantly declared?

i voted because I don't like an unelected parliament making rules we all have to live by.

This is a genuine question olympia- why are you happy for an unelected Prime Minister to be making decisions on our behalf and to be deciding the priory is immigration whatever the consequences of that?

I've heard the Scottish alcohol pricing argument before and I actually think it's a good thing that governments are restricted from imposing such nanny state laws but that's my view and I accept others will disagree.

That law, even if you think we should be able to impose it, is very limited in its scope though- What other examples do you have of laws you'd like to change?

DC said that as another of the scare tactics. The actual brexiteers never said that.

This is another example of mixing arguments to suit the discussion at the time.

We repeatedly hear that the Brexiteers weren't in charge, they didn't need a plan, that was for the government yet, when the man in charge of the government said something would happen, that was scaremongering?