To continue to wonder who is happy with where Brexit is heading

[Bearbehind]

Whilst I'm sure Leavers will undoubtedly think AIBU the last thread filled up so here's another 1000 opportunities to discuss what you think about where Brexit is heading.

& I don't think you're going to find the answers you're looking for on the AIBU section of MN btw, hardly a think tank of the best political brains in the country.

Wrong I'm not sure why you feel I need to look at that? It is because I've said some people care not for experts and facts and go solely on feelings and post truth? Because that's true and it has been evidenced many times on this and other threads. Hiding from that does no favours for anyone.

I'm not looking for the definitive answer, I'm asking for answers on why people think as they do- that's a personal choice and can be answered by anyone.

If you think your choice was 'for the greater good', why do you think it's acceptable that some people are going to be in a much worse position than they were pre-Referendum, with no definite goal in sight?

Absolutely surfer but leaving the EU wasn't the answer

Well it clearly was for 17 million people.

Well it clearly was for 17 million people.
Actually 17m people thought it was.

Magi No offence meant, I didn't think you needed to read it - I thought you might find it interesting, even if you disagreed with it.

& they thought right.

And so we've done the full circle again surfer

You can't articulate why leaving the EU was preferable to staying- you just 'think' it is.

Forgive me if I want more assurances than your 'hope'

wrong I think the debates divides are on far more many levels sadly but then it was always obvious it would too which makes the entire debacle even more morally reprehensible.

surfer actually nobody can claim whether its right or wrong yet.

Brendan Cox gave a lovely interview on Marr this morning.

But Surfer you have said that you cannot see into the future , that is why no-one can answer my question , although actually my question has always been about what has happened prior to June 2016 that effected peoples lives enough to want to vote leave , if you cannot see into the future how on earth can you confidently state that people 'thought' right about leaving the EU ?

It is feelings politics - times are changing & people aren't bothered about 'facts' so much. Because 'facts' are always biased & open to interpretation.

& anyway - Brexit has become a new religion, you're either a leaver or a remainer, nothing that gets said will change the vast majority of people.

Surfer has said in the past that she has no idea how Brexit will happen, but that she "trusts our leaders"..........

How do you think they'll cope?

I don't know how they will cope. I don't know how many people have managed to cope in the last decades as the inequality between rich and poor has grown and grown so that now just what used to be the basics of a decent life, like being able to buy a house, are beyond so many people.

I don't know how people will cope if we stay in the EU and poorer people continue to pay a higher and higher price for globalisation, possibly through times of increased instability as seems possible.

We could chose as a society to alleviate the effects of adverse economic effects (short or long term) on the poorest, if we wanted. Similarly we could chose to spread the benefits of globalisation and the costs so that inequality doesn't increase. But unfortunately it seems we haven't in recent years wanted to, as a society. I hope that one side effect of the referendum will be an increased awareness and understanding of the inequality and division in our country, and increased motivation to tackle this.

Thanks for your reply wrong.

Wrt yo your first paragraph, I just don't understand the train of thought that led to people believing leaving the EU would improve this.

Wrt to the second paragraph, what do you mean? Can you give examples?

Bear I will reply further later.

times are changing and people aren't bothered about facts

brexit has become a new religion, you're either a leaver or a remainer, nothing that gets said will change the vast majority of people.

So surfer you're essentially saying Leavers are in some kind of cult where they are basically ignoring all available information in favour of their desire for unicorns and rainbows.

I'm not even sure most Leavers would agree with your first comment above.

Can't we all just agree to disagree?
I'm thinking of unhiding the ref board & setting up a pub type drop in thread for everyone - nice & friendly, whatdaya think?

I've no regrets about my decision to leave.

I expected financial upheaval and have been pleasantly surprised it's not as bad as predicted.

And before I'm labelled racist, xenophobic etc. I want people from the EU and the rest of the world to come here and work. We need them. Always have. They should be paid the same as a British citizen. Infrastructure should be increased to cater for them. Without our net contribution to the EU budget we should be able to do that.

That is not the same as free movement of people.

And now the Canadians have secured a trade deal which is 99% towards free trade and no freedom of movement involved, we have a blueprint for a Brexit deal. We already have the rules and regulations in place after all.

Surfer that's a lovely idea.
Olympia: great points and interesting.
Wrongtrouser: you were so nice to write that. I still think supply and demand are at the heart of it. Thank you.

' Feelings' politics ? Brexit a new religion ? People not bothered about 'facts' so much ?

I would think all those statements hilarious if they weren't so damn scary

frumpet my sentiments exactly. It's bloody terrifying.

olympia nothing has really happened yet so being 'pleasantly surprised it's not as bad as predicted' is a bit premature.

Re the net EU contribution we'll have available to us- what do you think about the Nissan situation? Don't you think the majority of any previous contribution is going to be used to keep big businesses here before its used to support communities?

Finally, the Canadian agreement took 7 years to negiotate, what do you think we will do whilst we negiotate?

ww, seeing as you're back could we continue discussing the points we started on yesterday- why don't you accept any of the comments I made?

If you want me back in the conversation please answer the many questions I asked. If not - and after all, I'm not that much of a catch - I'll assume you don't and are just goading.

Which questions ww- I've answered everything I've seen you ask me?