To continue to wonder who is happy with where Brexit is heading

[Bearbehind]

Whilst I'm sure Leavers will undoubtedly think AIBU the last thread filled up so here's another 1000 opportunities to discuss what you think about where Brexit is heading.

You were more unpleasant to other posters and then you harangued me.

Show me where, other than the examples I've given above.

I'm beginning to think you're in a bit of a parallel universe TBH as what you post doesn't have much bearing on the conversation.

WW Hit the sherry and enjoy - it's Saturday night!

I'm going this is too horrible

Why? I'm not being not horrible. I'm asking you why you 'don't accept' my responses now.

You asked for them now seem to think it's ok to just say 'I don't accept them' and that's the end of the discussion.

PUB cheers inf

PUB - great idea!

thank you for putting the effort in

Why thank you for grading my work

Why do remainers worry about the Nissan deal? Because what is it? If there is a financial incentive being offered, who is paying for it? It's not exactly clear.

That "350 million" being paid to EU already isn't going to the NHS. It'll be most likely going to big business in an attempt to get them not to leave. Plus there is talk of reducing corporation tax which empties the coffers still further. And we will still need the same level of immigration just to keep even. it's hardly a Win win scenario. I'm still laughing at Surfer asking why remainers think everyone voted Leave. We have no fucking clue.

marcia Nissan are only located in the UK for unrestricted access to the EU.

TM has made immigration her number one priority and that is not compatible with freedom of trade so, on the face of it, Nissan will no longer have the incentive they need to remain here.

The fact they've decided to build the Qashqai here, when nothing has been or can be agreed wrt the type of deal we will get when we do leave, naturally leads to the conclusion they have been offered assurances which will open the floodgates to other big businesses to remain here.

That then begs the question that, if we're going to essentially subsidise these businesses to Remain here, outside of the EU, where's that money coming from?

Sorry marcia I didn't quite understand your question in your first post and split it totally wrong- seems we completely agree!

This thread moves fast.
Bear
Thanks a lot for the link!
larry
Thanks for the reply.i will write its response later.
surfer and winchester
I know you can't think straight when you are poor because I have been poor enough that I had to go hungry sometimes to get to what I have today (which isnt much but thankfully long way off from where I was once) .join malnutrition with the need to do extra hard work to overcome the gap between you and other who have advantage on you (by chance of birth etch) and you will stop thinking straight at times.
But I will come back to your otger points later on.

Winchester only at Christmas ! Was describing after effects of evil sherry

I was thinking about this thread last night and I'm finding really troubling TBH.

Given that in the first thread 90% of posters were unhappy and genuinely concerned for the future it's pretty clear all most of us want is to hear some positives and get a real sense that, whatever Leavers long term goals are, they've thought about both the short term and long term impacts.

It's really quite disturbing the lengths people, both on here and IRL, are going to to avoid answering those questions.

You're asking questions that are unanswerable, that's why you get so frustrated. For the 1000th time I'm telling you no one can predict the future, but at least we admit that. You seem to think staying in the EU had cast iron guarantees of utopia - did it? How do you know what the EU will be like in 5 years time?

bear the more these threads go on the more I'm seeing that the Gove effect is still largely in place. Some people don't care for facts or experts, they operate on feelings and live in post truth.

I pray our maligned experts pull something out of the bag for us all.

surfer it is absolutely not unanswerable to ask how you think the poor in society will cope with inflation induced price hikes which are just around the corner.

You're loaded, you'll be fine and you've previously said you don't give a shit about the economy but what about those who are living hand to mouth now?

Your great plans to get rid of the foreigners to make poor communities lives better means, at the very least in the short term, their lives will become much more difficult.

It is also not unanswerable to ask how you weighed up reducing immigration against the Impact on trade. Again, I know you aren't bothered about the impact on trade but, if we can't access or have restricted access to the Single market, the consequences of that are far more damaging than eu immigration currently is.

surfer
bear has been asking questions about what happens to the people in the meantime before the golden gates of brexit happen. Which goes completely unanswered. It'll be short term pain for long term gain is the answer she gets - then 'well no one can predict the future'. So basically you're saying we will get pain now for no guarantee of anything being better at all.

Goes completely unanswered except for 'it'll be short term pain'..

Bear Sometimes on these threads there are genuine and enlightening exchanges of views, opinions, experiences and analysis from both leavers and remainers. These, I would say, exclusively occur when people follow the normal conventions of conversation I.e. that people contribute to the conversation what they wish to. They don't occur when one person feels they have the right to dictate exactly in which format others will contribute. WW has posted many relevant and interesting posts on this thread but has now given up posting. There have been several interesting comments about supply and demand, but you are not interested in having a genuine discussion about this, but just carry on repeating that no-one will answer your questions.

If you could find it in yourself to stop commenting on what people aren't saying, and trying to dictate how and on what people post, and instead engaged with what people chose to contribute this thread might be able to be, gulp, a conversation.

wrong I agree there are some points have been made - larry sticks out for me I completely with regards to ww. Some points were made, but largely ww refused to accept anything but their version of the truth, calling anyone who attempted to discuss 'purposely misunderstanding', which was far from reality, and with it was exceptionally goady and made up sentences from words taken from multiple posts and then cried off accusing people of being mean.

wrong, I genuinely think your comment above is blurred by your own bias.

I replied to ww comments about supply and demand saying that I disagreed demand would fall significantly enough to lead to the rent/ house price declines she predicts.

I also replied to all her comments about inflation and wage growth etc and all I got was 'I don't accept that'. No further discussion.

Everything about Brexit has always been and continues to entailing Leavers discussing the bits they want to talk about and completely ignoring everything else.

It's rather pointless having a conversation if people don't answer the most relevant question at that time, which, on this thread yesterday was about how people will cope in the short term.

That's very real, that's going to happen so why won't people comment.

How do you think they'll cope?

Magi

David Runciman, political scientist at Cambridge University, has written a very interesting article on the post-truth/education/expert issue (recommended by RedToothBrush on another thread).

*How the education gap is tearing politics apart

The Long Read: In the year of Trump and Brexit, education has become the greatest divide of all – splitting voters into two increasingly hostile camps. But this is not a clash between the ignorant and the enlightened*

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/05/trump-brexit-education-gap-tearing-politics-apart

Bearbehind
You talk about the EU as if everyone in it is rolling in money & walking around like the Khardashians. Are you aware that some of the poorest countries in the world are part of the EU?
Were people not struggling to make ends prior to June 23rd?

Absolutely surfer but leaving the EU wasn't the answer.