To continue to wonder who is happy with where Brexit is heading

[Bearbehind]

Whilst I'm sure Leavers will undoubtedly think AIBU the last thread filled up so here's another 1000 opportunities to discuss what you think about where Brexit is heading.

See this is a cornered bear lashing out

No, it's the Polly Toynbees of this world who think they know what's best for the poor, writing sanctimonious crap from their villas in Tuscany.

Gosh how true is that

And there some of us are, out and about, sometimes working in deprived communities and asking them what they feel the problem is instead of guessing and assuming we know what's best for them.

Isn't that what leavers usually accuse the remainers of? Here pot, meet kettle.

ww I'm not lashing out, I'm yet again asking you a question that you're convienitently ignoring.

I don't think the long term future is looking rosy but the short term impacts are more pressing- cost of living is going up - how will those less fortunate than you deal with that?

I think bear worked it out on averages Magi. Maybe they have some use for your kitchenware.

You assume it's impossible to hear a voice from a deprived community unless you enter it. Let me disabuse you of your misconceptions.

All the swearing and insulting not lashing out? Give over.

I answered your question. Go fetch - you didn't read it.

Yet you and surfer who would never step foot within their communities feel you have a greater understanding of what's occurring than those of us who live and breathe it, but call us out for looking down on them. Despite the fact that the assumptions as always, are yours.

A fair few wrong assumptions there about me at least.

ww if you are referring to the 'proportionally disbenefitted' post, you've disproven your own argument.

Food price rises will proportionally disbenefit the poor the most and those rises are coming.

How will those people manage?

No I don't mean that. You can find it.

I'm fairly rich, I live in a smart part of London, my ds is privately educated. I enjoy the vibrant, multicultural, wonderful city that London is & I fully acknowledge all the wonderful positives immigration has provided.
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for communities that I've never been within 100 miles of but that I know are suffering due to EU FOM.

Surfer I'm scared. Are you me.

So you aren't rich and didn't make decisions for what you decided was best for communities you actually don't know then?

Which is what you've accused me and several others of despite not knowing our background or experiences.

If that assumption is wrong, given your misleading agreement with surfer then Id genuinely really appreciate some insight into how you know these communities are affected by FOM. Actually know. Not just plaudits from people like Frank Field.

I will say family. That is all. No more detail.

Winchester - you are being quite unpleasant. You can argue, surely, without all the Bear-baiting.

ww even if you don't mean that my point is valid and you haven't responded.

If you mean rents going down, house prices falling, and wages increasing they are not going to happen as quickly as the effects inflation will be felt and not to the same extent

So I'll ask again, when the average weekly shop increases in the coming months, how will Frank Fields constituents as a example, cope with that?

So you know a small proportion. As do I. As do all the other people here. But to extrapolate that massively across the board is recklessly dangerous.

I'm not being unpleasant, I'm deploying all the politeness I can muster with someone who goaded and harangued me. Why don't you go back and critique some of the op's posts for 'unpleasantness'.

You are not reading my posts. Apart from anything else you have not read the post about how the fastest wages rises are occurring for lowest income and still outstripping inflation. This is happening now. Now, already. It's been happening for months.

Well that's what you did.

Obviously we both read a lot and looked at economic arguments. I don't see your point at all.

Yes but inflation has been incredibly low and is going to shoot up.

And yes you have been speaking to me like a piece of shit but I've realised its your way so am ignoring it

The goadyness and rudeness has been very much two way on this thread, as all of these types of threads.

how the fastest wages rises are occurring for lowest income

Isn't that more to do with the introduction of the new National Minimum Wage for the lowest paid workers back in April? Nothing to do with the strength of the economy?

MagikarpetRide - I don't have to 'live & breathe' something to have an understanding of it. I know what's going on in the Middle East & the USA & they're a lot further away than Sunderland ( for example )
Anyway, it's the weekend & I've got RL to attend to.
Have a good day everyone.

No not two way. And no, I haven't, and no it isn't, although it's a good example of a government intervention that helps the poorest and which we must all support.

There's a massive gulf between having an understanding and knowing what is happening

Informal it is also happening in the us.