To continue to wonder who is happy with where Brexit is heading

[Bearbehind]

Whilst I'm sure Leavers will undoubtedly think AIBU the last thread filled up so here's another 1000 opportunities to discuss what you think about where Brexit is heading.

larry why is my response strange?

I don't agree that the Eurozone will implode imminently and, given no one else has argued this point to any extent, I think you're in a minority.

The Nicky Morgan quote peregrina posted is relevant here because, if this were really an imminently relevant concern, Leavers would be shouting it from the rooftops as an example of why this is the right decision for the country.

There does seem to be a habit in these threads, of which you are particularly guilty, of trying to get leavers to justify in a detailed way every single minuscule policy detail going forwards

Totally agree Larry, also with the meaningful discussion and responses. However one can empathize with some posters because there is a lack of understanding and empathy there isn't there.

PMSL autumn

I do respect larrys clearly superior knowledge to mine but you just post inane twaddle and never attempt any meaningful discussion or responses.

Currently the EU and the Eurozone are not one and the same thing, even after Brexit Denmark still remain out of it. So comparing the two is a slight conflation.

If joining the Eurozone had been a condition of staying in the EU then I would have voted out wanting soft brexit. The Eurozone is a massive sticking point for me. There has never been anything to convince me that something like the Greece meltdown couldn't happen bringing everyone else down (and yes, I'm aware that was largely due to figure fudging - but I wasn't ignorant to that being able to happen either). i'm not at all bitter that the rest of my economics class thought I was a complete loony for not thinking it wonderful so never needed to resist the urge to phone them all later on
No monetary union AFAIK has ever lasted this long, however the Eurozone has now lasted so long I can't imagine it collapsing without the rest of the world stepping in to keep it going. The Eurozone collapsing now brings everyone down.

What worries me most now with regard to the Eurozone is if something happens enough that we need to go cap in hand back to the EU then joining the Eurozone would likely be a pre-requisite.

RortyCrankle Fri 28-Oct-16 17:16:45

Thank you for going back and highlighting those despicable quotes.

I've now read it larry and my question is, if it is so compelling why is it nearly 6 months old

I have skimmed the article but read much more recent ones on the same premise. Italy is in peril. Utter peril I am surprised you do not know this?

never attempt any meaningful discussion or responses

as I have pointed out there is simply no point on these threads. Most Leave posters know this and as I have mentioned before this is why many stay away.

I didn't say I didn't know it autumn I said it's not getting worse and I don't believe it will lead to the Eurozone immentemtly imploding.

Why do you think it will?

Also What is despicable about those quotes?

Why would anyone feel sympathetic towards people who chose a course of action that led to something they were warned might be the case?

Because they have nothing to give other than to twist bear

Why would anyone feel sympathetic towards people who chose a course of action that led to something they were warned might be the case?

because its clear you and posters like you - want a certain course of action to punish people for the way they voted. Which is a nasty despicable way to think. You know - wishing bad things on people

Magik,

The Eurozone is effectively Europe. Let's not let an economic pimple like Denmark disguise this.

The Euro has survived 20 odd years as a real currency, a blink in the eye historically. It could easily collapse with the Northern countries coming away in what the EC originally was, and the Southern countries reverting back to national currencies. We may then quite sensibly choose to join the northern countries (where the wealth, culture etc are broadly similar to ours) in a union.

If you do believe the Euro is doomed, we may not avoid the explosion entirely but starting to put some distance between us and it would still help considerably.

I think Autumn you may be right.

I said it's not getting worse

How much worse does it have to get Its a huge reason why Merkel will not bail out German banks, because she knows it will open door to Italy.

Dad your approach is extremely pragmatic

If Brexit is such a marvellous idea and it's all going so well and there are no possible negative outcomes, then how could Bear "wishing" the consequences of their vote upon somebody be a bad thing?

She may bail them out. Her choice is death of the euro or political auicide and depression in Germany.

It is cruel in the extreme. Gives the lie to being on the side of poor people.

larry I'm not sure what more distance we can put without harming ourselves, that's the problem. It feels a little like preemptively smashing my car engine because there's a likelihood the neighbour's car may crash into mine.

Winchester - you shouldn't have to explain, its usually taught in childhood.

Ironic that Remainers are now asking for positives on leaving, for me leaving is the only positive I need. During the campaign there was nothing positive to say about the EU was there? NO one could point to the great EU project and its wonderful success..

because its clear you and posters like you - want a certain course of action to punish people for the way they voted. Which is a nasty despicable way to think. You know - wishing bad things on people

Actually autumn I'm wishing for the complete opposite.

I think Brexit will be incredibly detrimental to the vast majority of us. I don't want that to happen.

In lieu of any Leaver actually telling us why I'm wrong I'm pinning my hopes on others seeing that for themselves.

The 'bad things' will come from pursuing a hard Brexit. Anything that makes people think twice is a means to an end IMO.

Magik if the neighbour does not have a driving license, cannot drive, drives drunk, drives with a blind fold on.....has already scraped your car...

Ah thanks Bear, I read similar from Tony Blair today!!

Ironic that Remainers are now asking for positives on leaving

autumn have you been in a bunker for the last 4 months?

From 23rd June (and before) Remainers have been repeatedly asking for positives.

I've made it very clear I voted Remain because I could see no benefit in leaving.

I'm astounded you think this is some new fangled concept- actually , I'm not. It's just another pitiful attempt at avoiding answering the questions.

Why is leaving 'the only positive you need'?

autumn even if that logic could be applied to the eu, which considering we ran crying to their former selves 40years ago doesn't hold water, I still don't think I'd willingly smash the engine if my own car up just in case.

Remainers.
Why do you think so many people voted to leave? even the people of Sunderland?

Are you saying they all voted leave because they fell for a few bus slogans?

Why did the people of Sunderland vote leave when they had more to lose than most?

Magik,

We went to the imf from what I remember. But, yes, pre Maggie we were in desperate straits.