To continue to wonder who is happy with where Brexit is heading

[Bearbehind]

Whilst I'm sure Leavers will undoubtedly think AIBU the last thread filled up so here's another 1000 opportunities to discuss what you think about where Brexit is heading.

I am more put off by people who skip about with fingers in their ears saying "la la everything's going to be lovely".

Anyway are people saying they are going to backtrack on reducing overseas student numbers and still have fewer immigrants by reducing other numbers even more (and have no teachers, doctors or nurses at all), or are they going to pretend they aren't immigrants (fine by me, they are big contributors to our economy)?

The EU has rules about state aid

Bit of a tangent but how did this work with the banking crisis and government bailouts?

Valentine very easy to find, first Google result.

www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/immigration-by-category-workers-students-family-members-asylum-applicants/

Let's be honest, nobody knows what the hells going on at the moment. We are all floundering about and probably will be for some months yet!

That's reassuring time

I can totally see why you chose this path

Someone said earlier that economic growth for the quarter was lower than expected. That's not true. It was higher than expected. Point five against predicted point three. Down pint two on three months to end June.

Also someone else said 'but we haven't left yet that's why it's not had an impact'. Also predicated on a misunderstanding. Forecasts for the quarter were made with the brexit vote in mind, not brexit. It is these forecasts and expectations which were obviously too gloomy and turned out wrong.

And U.K. Is still forecast to be fastest growing g7 economy next year.

I said it was lower than expected. That was off the back of a news report I'd just been watching. Just caught the news again and noticed they'd changed it to saying it was an improvement on the forecast which was downgraded after the referendum. Have been trying unsuccessfully to find out what that was.

Oh dear what a shame - Bearbehind , Peregrina and Smallfox were banking on Nissan closing down their factory in Sunderland to teach the low life Leavers from there a lesson. Recalling what they said (which I thought was quite frankly disgraceful) they were salivating at the prospect.

Tough shit.

No Rorty, we weren't banking on anything. I don't think I have said anything about Nissan on this thread apart from wondering what bribe they have been offered, but I certainly have on other threads, if you care to read them. My anger is directed at the mendacity of people like Johnson, Fox, and Davis, and earlier Gove and Gisela Stuart. It's also directed at Theresa May and her blind willful obsession with getting Immigration down. I was also appalled at the xenophobic tone at the Tory Conference.

Sorry to disappoint you.

Rorty
We should all ask this question now: what kind of deal has been offered or assured to Nissan because it's a good indication of where we could be regarding Brexit. Instead of adding to that discussion, it's again taunts and jeers. Why in the world are you guys clicking and posting here after all?

I didn't say your disgusting comments were on this thread. I will copy and paste if you have memory loss.

Re Nissan:

I'd like to think that the assurances granted are to the effect that we will effectively stay in the Single Market, meaning that no tariffs will apply post Brexit.

I'm concerned that some sort of one-off corporate assurance has been granted, in essence financially underwriting Nissan's involvement in the UK.

I'd really like to know which it is, in broad terms. I'd also like to know why Nissan apparently has privileged access to the UK government's negotiating strategy, a strategy which is allegedly too confidential to be shared with parliament.

Nobody knows what the hells going on so 90% of everything discussed on here is speculation, Nissan going (now not going), banks moving their depts to Europe (or will they), Students not being able to study here (or will they) - floundering. However, having said that I would like to know before March what we are aiming for.

I have chosen the path less travelled and I'm still ok with that.

I agree timeforchocolate that nobody knows what is going on.

It is looking suspiciously like Theresa May's secret hand of Brexit cards can not be revealed in the interests of Conservative Party unity, rather than being anything to do with the national interest.

I am fearful that anti-immigrant sentiment might be driving the agenda, particularly given what was said at the Conservative Party conference. That could mean an economic fudge, with high profile cases such as Nissan being bought off, but the rest of the economy suffering in the long term as a result.

I think Tory party conferences tend to take an anti-immigrant slant. It just happens that this time more people were taking notice of what was being said, and the tone seemed particularly vitriolic.

I said what the forecast was. Point three per cent.

Stripey - I was going to post pretty much what Peregrina said about the tone of the party conference but I don't feel it will be pursued further than that (we have had a back track on doctors already before the conference had even finished).

I too would be very interested to know what was said to Nissan, I am not sure that prior to EU negotiations getting underway she is in any position to say with confidence/assurance that we will be staying in the single market or in a position at this moment to be able to essentially financially underwrite something of that size. I would be surprised if the powers that be in Nissan would not question that.

Why would you say 'anti immigrant'

It's not even 'anti immigration.' More like 'anti mass uncontrolled immigration'.

Are you in favour of mass uncontrolled immigration because I'm not.

Are you also not in favour of the state intervening in the market with subsidy or whatever. Is that something you disapprove of.

I said what the forecast was. Point three per cent. But that was the downgraded after the referendum forecast. Do you know what it was downgraded from? That's what I was trying to ascertain, the suggestion having been that it was higher than 0.5%.

Are people still spouting the uncontrolled mass immigration bull? Even if we managed to get out of FOM from the EU we still have the CTA with ROI so there's a large uncontrolled element there. We also never 'controlled' non EU immigration, given they account for an equal amount. Its almost as if we need immigrants

No need to be rude

There wasn't was there, but there you went

The boe didn't cut its growth forecast for this year.

Are you ok? You seem tense

Magik,

And there is the straw man again. Can you show me a single quote on this thread or from the leave campaign that said we don't need immigrants?

Uncontrolled immigration is not the same as immigration. The idea that a single doctor or nurse will not be allowed to enter the country to work (as long as they are properly qualified and speak enough English) is ridiculous.

We are an island nation and have always been one of the most welcoming and tolerant of immigrants (which is far from perfect but, equally, far far better than mainland Europe).

If we 'hard' Brexit one of the first things any government would do is decide on the skilled immigrants we need and provide incentives for them to come.