To continue to wonder who is happy with where Brexit is heading

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Whilst I'm sure Leavers will undoubtedly think AIBU the last thread filled up so here's another 1000 opportunities to discuss what you think about where Brexit is heading.

larry casting slurs on smallfox's work ethic is pretty damn low, mate.

You seem to be here a lot too!

On the rest of the world growing faster, most developed economies have grown at a similar rate.

It's the developing economies that have the faster growth rate.

Just as an aside do Remainers read The Guardian?

Its just I glance at their headlines which are always doom and gloom over Brexit, if it was my only source of knowledge I too would be feeling anxious over Brexit.

I wonder if posters who are worried start to look at other papers it may help.

Great news about Sunderland.
Proving all the scaremongering by remainers was a load of crap. ( & the people of Sunderland knew it )

Magik,

I actually get 1.68% from Q1 1999 to Q1 2013 using the inflation adjusted data and decompounding the absolute numbers, so very similar to the Eurozone's.

There don't seem to be any numbers since 2013

Thank you for sourcing this.

Maybe it's just because the leavers have been enjoying themselves, while the 48% sit in darkened rooms shaking with terror and disowning family members for voting 'wrong

In darkened rooms typing away furiously on MN

autumn I don't read the Guardian, or any other paper for that matter. However they tend to come up early on google, aren't hidden behind a paywall and often link the data behind their articles.

For some reason however their slant is pro remain and heavily so. I think its more tied in to kick the Tories perhaps than a real objection to Brexit. But if I glance at that paper it makes me feel miserable.

For the same period as the one I looked at for the UK, I only get 1.2% annualised growth in the Eurozone. You cannot average quarterly growth rates (it is a bit more complicated. I used:

Gross Domestic Product by Expenditure in Constant Prices: Total Gross Domestic Product for the Euro Area©

I used the absolute growth number and decompounded it to get an annualised number. My source was the below:

fred.stlouisfed.org/series/NAEXKP01EZQ652S

Regardless of your views, this is a really useful site. It offers free downloading of all economic statistics into Excel.

I read lots of different papers, but seeing most of the non partisan press and independent sources seem to think that hard Brexit is a bad idea.

Surfer, Nissan have been offered guarantees to stay, mainly that it is very unlikely that tariffs will be applied, or they've been offered some for of government assistance, but as covering the cost of tariffs would be illegal under WTO trade rules that is unlikely.

So its not a great advert, the "scaremongering" was valid as Nissan had to go to the government to get assurances and guarantees to make this commitment. Only problem May has now is that Vauxhall, Toyota, Honda and BMW will want similar concessions.

Oh and if Tariffs aren't going to be applied, it means soft brexit.

I'd be happy with that :), you won't.

larry
That's a blow waaaay below the belt and very unfair. I work in a field where our Nobel laureates are warning us to make plans B if Brexit goes through. (Plan B for us means plans B-Z basically because things don't go the way we plan them usually.thats the way it is). And I have young DCs. I post between working, cooking, hospital visits, feeding them. I would say you appreciate this kind of input instead of trying to insinuate conspiracy theories.

small
You said "Nissan have been offered guarantees to stay, mainly that it is very unlikely that tariffs will be applied, or they've been offered some for of government assistance, but as covering the cost of tariffs would be illegal under WTO trade rules that is unlikely.".
So you have come to the conclusion that it's about to be a soft Brexit ? What in your opinion is going to happen about free movement of labour and skills? For example, in STEM?

Valentine,

I did not say anything about you. Your posting pattern seems pretty normal to me, marked by absences when you are busy.

How about, on the other hand, addressing my core point about Eurozone growth being anaemic (see my calculated number above, with referenced source).

If the EC is so positive economically, why are we not seeing these benefits in terms of superior growth numbers?

wrong
I meant it to be General and didn't mean your children exactly.

larry
If I work from home, I have a tablet, a smart phone and two laptops at my desk. I don't think it's hard to post like small. When Nicki Morgan's stupidest idea to turn all schools into academies was in progress, I was nearly all the time refreshing Mumsnet page to keep posting.

I think we'll manage to negotiate freedom of movement with the hand break and having to come to guaranteed jobs. Students will be taken out of the immigration figures though.

Larry, you post a lot too. Fair enough I post a lot, there are breaks when 'm busy too.

But it shows the paucity of your arguments when you have to resort to ad hominem attacks.

Larry your not the only one who has noticed a certain posters prolific posting on these threads. in fact I know many people dont bother to post due to this poster.

Every single positive is shot down, every single one. I was no fan of the EU but even I could have found some solace in certain parts of it, had we voted to remain, I would have had to have done, but then I am a fairly positive person.

Anyway - I guess Small is correct - we are ALL DOOMED, DOOMED, DOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMEEEEEEEED I tell ya.

Doooooooommmmmmmmmeeeeeeeeed.

Funny people talking about distraction. Eurozone growth rate.....tumbleweed.

There are some positives today - I'm happy for the people of Sunderland that Nissan is committed. However, I'm not overly happy about the fact that tax payer's money is being given to a multi-national company to persuade them to stay. There won't be enough money in the coffers to use this strategy throughout the UK, and I'm wondering who's going to protect my DH's job at a university as international student numbers continue to fall.

Oh people don't post because of me?

I said the Nissan thing was positive, just questioned what was offered bearing in mind what was demanded.

Larry, my point regarding eu growth and UK growth was validated, you often run away from points that are made to counter yours.

small
When you say students won't be counted in this, do you think the current settig where students from EU pay the same fees as us will stay? What about international students and post docs?
In effect, what will the EU demand in return? Guaranteed job still is a big thing to ask or is it not?

No, it was not. I found some solid data (referenced above) showing Eurozone growth rate at 1.2% per annum from Jan 1999 to Jan 2014, a full 0.5% below uk rate.

Which is different to the figure you quoted previously.

Which another poster found simular data for.

It's also not a fair comparison as the EU is larger and has disparities across it.