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My DH's SN have prevented me from helping a woman in need

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BathshebaKnickerStickers · 24/10/2016 19:46

Trying to cut it short - acquaintance I first met 12 years ago, she moved away, lost contact, met her in the street a wee while ago, gave her my number etc....

Her life is a mess. Too much detail would be identifying, but essentially it's a mess, mostly not of her doing....

She phoned tonight when I was dropping my youngest at an activity - she needed a place to stay tonight until she can get to the council offices first thing tomorrow.

I feel so upset as I had to turn her down. My DH is autistic and has social phobia - he simply couldn't have coped if I had brought a stranger home to stay overnight no matter how in need she was.

I had to turn her down - she was in tears and obviously desperate for a place to spend the night. I offered her sleeping bag/air bed etc if she can find somewhere to go but I feel helpless as I couldn't help her.

My DH is supposed to be away with work this week and if he had been away she could have come, but as he is here I honestly had no choice.

I don't have the money to pay for her to have a night in a b&b or anything, and she clearly doesn't have the money either.

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BeingATwatItsABingThing · 25/10/2016 10:06

Izzy, you don't sound like a bad mum at all!

BombadierFritz · 25/10/2016 10:08

no, i'm suggesting op wouldnt have done it anyway, feels bad, and is latching onto her dh as a reason.

BombadierFritz · 25/10/2016 10:11

and that actually, its not really a 'sn' thing if people without sn wouldnt do it either (or ime are less likely to do it, but we've covered that already)

StatisticallyChallenged · 25/10/2016 10:12

It is indeed grim reading.

I'm an autistic person who travels for work, meets clients, gives presentations. The best way to think of it is like an ongoing performance. I can do it, but it's like I'm acting. It's actually better when I'm travelling alone as then I get plenty of quiet down time in a hotel room whereas when I'm travelling with colleagues you're expected to do meals and drinks and prep together so it's more full on.

I come home from work trips totally exhausted and drained. It's like I have a hangover. Once I'm home I pretty much spend the next day curled up under a blanket on my sofa - I always work from home the day after a trip. I'm exhausted, my sensory sensitivities go through the roof, it's really draining.

When I'm at home I'm off. I'm not autistic person trying to act NT which is what working life is like, and social events. I hate unexpected visitors - it feels like I need to switch on and perform again. My home is my safe place.

Thornrose · 25/10/2016 10:21

Several posters have clearly and patiently explained how you can work, be a parent etc but find this scenario intolerable.

Posters are still popping up asking the same question and expressing disbelief. How much clearer can it be spelt out? It's almost as though you don't want to believe what you are being told. I wonder why?

The question of how ops dh manages when the children need empathy was way below the belt IMO.

Thornrose · 25/10/2016 10:26

Genuine question - if your dh cannot emphasise, how will you manage issue with the children of an emotional or sensitive nature? What if they go to their father and tell him they had a fight at school, are getting picked on, feel scared after a film? Etc. Will he just send them to talk to you? What if anything ever happened to you, could he manage?

Those situations can be managed with basic common sense surely?

BombadierFritz · 25/10/2016 10:29

the situation is intolerable for 99% of people (ok that was a guess). who would actually do this even if they had an nt husband with no social phobia, plus kids, at home? honestly? it would be more honest for the op to own that, its pretty much what most other people would have done, rather than pretend to herself that if it wasnt for her dh and his special needs, she could have helped out last night
that might actually be unfair to the op, sorry op, i'm just assuming you would act like almost everyone else would. its ok. it wouldnt have solved her longer term and ongoing issues. you can still be there for her if you want. you and your dh together might brainstorm some practical way of helping that doesnt involve staying in the house. equally, if you dont want to get involved, most people wouldnt either so try not to feel bad

StatisticallyChallenged · 25/10/2016 10:35

There are plenty of people who would give someone a bed for the night at the drop of a hat- both NT and people with AS. Actually I think my DH would be one of them, but he would not do it without asking me first. It can be hard to be the partner who is limited by their OH's anxieties or AS, and I think it's pretty normal to want to discuss that.

SantinoRice · 25/10/2016 10:38

I sort of get where BF is coming from, although their posts are quite contradictory.

I am ASD. If I had been the DH in this situation, I'd have probably agreed to letting the person stay, then just not slept all night, going over every possible outcome of having a virtual stranger in the house.

It is possible that the OP didn't want to put her DH in that position by discussing it with him, as he would have either agreed to let the person stay & felt awful, or not let them stay and felt awful.

It sounds like OP did the right thing, and is posting here for reassurance. Which she can have, in bucket loads, from me Smile

Thornrose · 25/10/2016 10:39

AIBU was a bad choice of topic for a start!

I have posted about my dd mainly in SEN topics. I did once post in chat because I wanted the NT perspective. I wanted posters to respond to something that was impacting on me and not automatically look at it from dd's perspective.

Some people did question why it wasn't in SN, out of genuine concern. I think we should be able to post about SN anywhere and not be hidden away but unfortunately it rarely goes well.

BombadierFritz · 25/10/2016 10:42

well maybe. its easy to say but the number of people on the streets and in homeless shelters suggests otherwise. absolutely to the 'asking partner first' part. i just think a lot of partners would say no, not just the ones with as. (yet again, my personal experience is they would be more likely to say yes regardless of own discomfort. my sister is regularly, imo, taken advantage of this way. she has terrible social phobia but finds it hard to see people suffer. I wouldnt let half the people she lets sleep over after a sob story). I just dont like the hread title, the implication that anyone without as and social phobia would not say no, and that op would definitely have done it otherwise. maybe.

ObscureThing · 25/10/2016 10:42

The vast majority of people wouldn't have a homeless virtual stranger in their house, no way. People would "boot their husbands out"? Yeah fucking right. People would spend £50- 100 on a hotel? Bullshit. (oh and what happens if it gets trashed or she refuses to leave?) If you disagree, I have a skaghead mate who's been sofa-surfing for a decade I can send you. Lovely bloke, never shoots up in the house, tidies up after himself.

People love looking virtuous without lifting a finger on threads like these.

BadLad · 25/10/2016 10:45

Where did you buy your bullshit detector, Obscure? Mine broke after a few posts on this thread - obviously yours can cope with far heavier loads than mine.

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BombadierFritz · 25/10/2016 10:49

oh and the fact the op didn t ask as her dh doesnt have empathy, rather than because he would say yes then be anxious etc, although that might just be because I dont like the whole 'nt people are sooooo empathetic. as people dont care' vibe and to be fair, it wasnt op who linked the lack of empathy to the as.

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SporkLife · 25/10/2016 10:58

The op already said above that the children have people over when he is out, just because he can't cope with aqquitences the op just recently met again to sleep over over doesn't mean he's a crap father as some people seem to be hinting at Hmm

This is such a cringey and sad thread to read as an autistic person and I'm unsure as to the purpose of it, op knows her husband couldn't cope in this situation, others like myself have explained how we can still do X, Y, Z but couldn't cope with this.
Yet loads of posters being like well why can't he? if he can't do this how come he can do that, how can he cope with being a father? How can he cope with travel? Why didn't you boot him out? Why are you him infantising him ? Hmm

For all the talk of empathy, there seems to be a shocking lack of it on here, just because you can't imagine something, doesn't mean the person with the condition is lying about it.
The whole why doesn't he get a grip vibe is awful.

I wasn't going to go into detail about how I wouldn't cope, as I can only talk for myself not op dh or anyone else with autism and also I didn't see why any of us should have to justify how we can do somethings but not others, but maybe if it helps broaden some people's minds then...

So I've travelled all over (although not anymore), work, but as I've said couldn't cope with anyone here at such short notice and also a stranger too me, as my home is my sanctuary (or if I was travelling it would be my hotel room rather then home) it's where at the end of a day ''masking" to look "normal" I can come and destress, unwind and finally be myself rather then trying to act NT and I need that, I really need that, as it's draining pretending to be something else all day, so to have some invade with so little notice that means I can't relax after masking all day or mentally prepare myself for them coming, think of it like a fizzy pop bottle it's been shook all day, rather then relieving the pressure it's just going to get shook again. So the last time someone unexpected came over, I told my dh to say I was working so couldn't come downstairs, I hid under a blanket rocking backwards and forwards for hours I eventually managed to crawl to the toilet, where I had a complete meltdown as the emotional stress was just too much, sobbed, self harmed and beat myself up, before finally lying still again for hours praying the person would leave soon. I couldn't cope and still can't with that situation, doesn't mean I can't do other things though, just means I can't cope in this situation.

I'm not doing that for the shit and giggles, it's involuntary, it's the way my brain is wired, if I could stop it don't you think I would? This whole omg just cope, don't you think if we could do that we would try that!! Autism isn't a light switch that you get to turn off when your sick of it, or when someone tells you to get a grip.

This is a ridiculously long post but I hope the sharing of that story will help people see ( you know what I don't even know what I hope it makes you see, that it's real? Understand? ) and just to point out this is only my story I'm not claiming to speak on behalf of all autistic people, about how they react, if you've met one autistic person, you have met one autistic person.

Also like others who have posted while I've been writing out this mega post, while its fun to play blame the autistic dh I somehow doubt that all these people saying what they would do, would actually house a homeless basically stranger. But let's not dwell on that, onwards with the autism bashing! I await more lovely posts about how op dh is a crap parent or how he should be kicked out of his home for the night or ponderings on how he manages a job 🙃

TirednessIsComing · 25/10/2016 11:01

IzzyIsBusy please don't think that makes you a crap mum, it really doesn't and if people think that way...Fuck 'em.

Dontpanicpyke · 25/10/2016 11:06

Indeed. Are they wooed seriously suggesting they would prioritise the needs of a random acquaintance over their partner, if do you are bat shit crazy and plain wierd and nasty.

Anyone who would let a random acquaintance, who they have no real knowledge of, doss on their sofa
Equally bat shit crazy.

Judging someone with a disability or a SN as needing to get a grip or saying they are a bad parent is vile.

Amazing how many people seem to Aquire relatives with autism sfter being called out for a nasty post is very suspicious.

Bountybarsyuk · 25/10/2016 11:11

My husband doesn't like having people over to stay at our home, so they don't, he's not autistic, just likes his own space and getting up and ready without visitors there. I occasionally challenge this and we have a relative to stay infrequently.

I wouldn't open my home to someone who turned up out of the blue and who had issues, I would to an old friend though.

I agree with those saying that there's a heck of a lot of virtue signaling on this thread, but actually, inviting people you know little about whether homeless or not to live in your personal space is not always a good thing to do.

I don't think you would have to be autistic to find this an unwelcome and possibly unwise intrusion.

KatoPotato · 25/10/2016 11:21

Mindtrope I refuse to pay cinema snack prices for my own children! Popcorn is about £8!

DixieNormas · 25/10/2016 11:22

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Branleuse · 25/10/2016 11:39

shes been homeless for a while. It wouldnt be just one night. I think you did the only thing you could. I have given my sofa to various homeless friends and family over the years and its never just one night, and ALWAYS ends with me having to be more assertive than is comfortable.

Twirlywoooo · 25/10/2016 11:46

I wouldn't have had them to stay either. Ds1 'masks' all day at school, we've had 'delightful' Hmm comments from others, ranging from "oh, but he doesn't look autistic" "he seems 'normal', are you sure he has Asperger's?". To, "will he need to go to a 'special school' now?" said by a 'friend' the day we got his official diagnosis.

Ds works very hard all day trying to fit in, hide his sensory issues, this goes ok until routine is upset or something unexpected happens. He has never had a 'meltdown' doesn't hit out but he internalises his anxiety, comes home and hides in his room for hours. We gauge how bad his day has been by how long he spends hiding under his duvet in silence.

His home is his safe space where he gets to just be him no masking, no acting or trying to fit in. We try to keep everything the same and predictable for him. He copes well if everything is the same or he is well prepared for changes in routine. We arrange play dates but we prepare him in advance, it helps him cope, an unexpected stranger staying in his home would cause him great distress.

BathshebaKnickerStickers · 25/10/2016 12:12

I'm so sorry if I upset anyone by starting this thread - I probably put it in the wrong section and I just needed to vent a little about how I was feeling having had to turn down someone in need.

Someone made a really good point upthread - I only have this woman's word that all the chaos in her life isn't her fault.

I was listening to the radio the other night and the discussion was about adults with autism and how they are very much a forgotten group (the discussion the previous night had been about girls with autism).

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