The Duke of York wants his daughters to be full time Royals?

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www.express.co.uk/news/royal/724136/prince-andrew-requests-princesses-beatrice-eugenie-kensington-prince-charles-queen-william

This is a Sunday Express link, not a Fail one.

So Andrew wants both of his daughters to have full time royal roles funded by the public & have larger apartments at Kensington Palace. Given that the only time I ever see them in the news is for dreadful outfits & holidays, to me they are embarrassing & a bit cringy.

Andrew is complaining that they are overshadowed by William, Catherine & Harry. But if you believe & support a system of privilege by birth such as the monarchy, then it stands to reason that the direct heirs are more important than the rest.

Does Andrew have a point & IABU?!

The princesses may be perfectly lovely women.

Andrew is an entitled git though. DH has met most of the senior Royals due to a former job and neither he or his colleagues had a nice word to say about Andrew. The others were all absolutely fine and easy to deal with

My very close friend says exactly the same and stepping out of line with his siblings does him no favours. He is the embodiment of entitlement and my friend's personal experience, has been that he's not pleasant while he's about it all. FIL has had dealings with Princess Anne in a work environment and she's been professional, informed, pleasant and demonstrated a sharp sense of humour while she was about it.

Shame Andrew didn't follow his sister's lead. Shame his daughters don't come across more like Sarah Chatto, who seems to be a lovely part of the Queen's family while taking nothing from it.

I watched a documentary in the run up the Queen's Jubilee and it was well know that the Queen always spoilt Andrew rotten. When Beatrice was born, Andrew demanded she be known as HRH Princess and the Queen indulged him, as she is the one that gives the titles and would always pretty much give Andrew what he wanted.

It was noted that both Anne and Edward were happy for their children to be as out of the public eye as they could and therefore rejected the offer of Princess and Prince respectively.

Because of this, I have no trouble believing Andrew is currently demanding B and E be 'paid' as full time royals

Can someone explain how they royals are good for charities to me? As far as I know, they don't donate their own money in large sums to charities. So their role is to persuade others to do so? But how do we know that is actually efficient and a good thing? If there were no royal fundraisers / patrons, maybe instead of donating £100 to charity X, I might have donated it to charity Y instead. Or I might have spent it on consumer purchasers and paid VAT, contributed towards the employment of the manufacturer, wholesaler and retailer of the product I bought, and the tax paid by their employees and on their profits. Thereby freeing up more tax either to fund services directly replacing the charity work, or lower everyone's taxes, thereby allowing more money to circulate as above. Or I could have invested that money in savings or a business, and that capital could be leveraged by someone to providan economical benefit. So if Prince X didn't associate himself with charity 123, how do we know anything would be worse off?

My mum has worked with a Princess Anne and said she's lovely and likes her cheese and crackers a certain way. She says there are no airs and graces and she has a good way with people.

As far as I know, they don't donate their own money in large sums to charities. So their role is to persuade others to do so?

Yes, I imagine it is - and realistically it must work, or charities wouldn't be so keen to have royal patrons (though to be fair, any famous person would probably do just as well)

Never ask me how it works, though; do folk turn up to gawp and spend money while they're about it, or do they feel that donating somehow "buys them a place" in this rarefied world?? Search me ...

Maybe they could use their experience in business and art to set up a joint venture in millinery

As they don't need to find any money for the rent, surely they can get involved in whatever charity events and ribbon cutting they choose? If they turn out to be popular - and so add value to The Firm - then at some point they'll probably be taken on... If not, well, they're not worth it.

How do they help charity - well, it's the publicity factor I suppose. You'll get media and press interest for your cause when they come to visit.

There was an amazing court case a few years ago featuring some blokes from royal protection at BP. It emerged that the queen's nickname is "the purple one", Philip is known as "the Greek" and Prince Andrew was simply known as "the cunt"

Problem is if member of royal family came cut the ribbon on something at the end of my road , I could summon engery to go and stare. But if was E or B sod that rather stay in watch tellie thanks.

Yes you may get a few more photographers coming but do people really feel warmed by them. Think most people would just feel short changed. Say you were in some disaster and nursing staff got you all tidy in bed because royal family we're visiting and you got them, not going feel uplifted are you!

They could always work in one palace shops or tours that might be only thing works

I wonder if they actually have much money. I appreciate that, as a whole, the royals are minted. But how much trickles down to minor royals. A £25k pa job won't get you that far if you are, to some extent, obliged to spend it on stupid hats.

If the queen had a charitable bone in her body she'd release some of those properties in London that she owns worth over £800 million that are standing empty, to the homeless. That is true charity. There she is in her 240 bedroom house, while thousands of her subjects sleep rough (through no fault of their own) across London. I don't know how she sleeps at night.

A £25k pa job won't get you that far if you are, to some extent, obliged to spend it on stupid hats

as if they pay for their hats! Hat makers are probably falling over themselves to have their hats snapped on a royal's noggin!

Not Beatrice's.

Haven't read the full thread, but..
I have met Andrew and Beatrice a couple of times and Eugenie considerably more through her work with scoliosis associations. I think that she finds it diffucult to find a role for herself, as a minor royal and as someone able to work full-time.
As a normal, full-time worker, six weeks a year holiday will not cover her expected royal duties. She can't/doesn't want to be a full-time royal as she doesn't have the 'pull' of others. She wants to dedicate to work but can't because the amount of family stuff expected of her outweighs work entitlement yet wants to support the family in supporting their grandmother but, due to work, can't. Poor girl can't win for trying.

Andrew and Beatrice can gtf. Selfish and entitled, the pair of them and everybody knows it.

Sorry but no, they seem okay enough and I feel sorry for them given their parentage. The thing is they have many opportunities to do what they want, they are still young and they could go back to study something or train for something.

The only Royal who I genuinely appreciate is the Duchess of Kent (not Princess Michael of Kent -she's a parasite). The Duchess of Kent walked away from all the Royal privileges and taught music in schools up in Yorkshire for years, pupils had no idea who she really was. She has true class.

What are their duties though? Ok so Queens jubilee or big birthday they all to on balcony and wave. Or a royal wedding they are expected to show up. But in a normal year there can't be that many days thy have to attend. Not for E and B. But then again I don't buy hello!

Didn't the Duchess of Kent famously refuse to attend Wimbledon any more after they refused permission for underprivileged children to accompany her in the Royal Box. Round of applause there too. Wimbledon, though I've always fancied going has always struck me as brimming with snobbery, the kind of place that is literally more snobby than royalty and ends up looking comical for trying too hard. Hyacinth Bucketesque.

Wow, that's impressive, the Duchess of Kent teaching music for years, unknown. No idea what relation she is to the queen though. But I am not British. The other one though, Princess Michael of Kent, her Dad was a nazi which is part of why she's so unpopular but that wasn't her fault.

A £25k pa job won't get you that far if you are, to some extent, obliged to spend it on stupid hats.

They are not obliged to spend it on hats.They are also allowed to buy Pimms and small bitey dogs.

The bitey dogs are the Queen's personal preference, obviously. Though I believe she also enjoys a pint of whelks and a G & T while she's watching Casualty.

I understandthat n Royal ever has to actually pay for anything - like most celebs they just get given stuff.

Unlike us ordinary people who actually have to buy things. As me Grannie said "You have to be rich to be poor."

*I understand that no Royal - not the mindless gibberish the autocorrect has blessed me with this time.

Princess Michael of Kent, her Dad was a nazi which is part of why she's so unpopular but that wasn't her fault.

She is also an up-her-own-arse money-grabbing snooty cowbag. That is at least partly her own responsibility.

Dame the Duchess of Kent is only related to the Queen by marriage - her husband, the Duke of Kent, is the Queen's cousin, since their dads were brothers

DamePastel the Duchess of Kent is related to the Quern by marriage - she's married to the Queen's cousin, the Duke of Kent (duh!) who is the son of the Queen's father's younger brother Prince George.

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