The Duke of York wants his daughters to be full time Royals?

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www.express.co.uk/news/royal/724136/prince-andrew-requests-princesses-beatrice-eugenie-kensington-prince-charles-queen-william

This is a Sunday Express link, not a Fail one.

So Andrew wants both of his daughters to have full time royal roles funded by the public & have larger apartments at Kensington Palace. Given that the only time I ever see them in the news is for dreadful outfits & holidays, to me they are embarrassing & a bit cringy.

Andrew is complaining that they are overshadowed by William, Catherine & Harry. But if you believe & support a system of privilege by birth such as the monarchy, then it stands to reason that the direct heirs are more important than the rest.

Does Andrew have a point & IABU?!

If you're paying someone to do a job, they need to do a good job. Otherwise questions are asked, just as they would be in my job or anyone else's. The public's perception is that this family do not do a good job and do not look the part. Therefore why should we pay them.

I think also that Peter Phillip's wife converted to CofE.

Always thought that odd if she did it so that he could keep his place "in line".

What is he, about 14th??

I know, it would have to be some accident for him to inherit! Do you think they operate a similar system to the US State of the Union speech - at least one person from the line of succession has to be absent in case of a terrorist attack.

I agree Shelagh, calling them pantomime dames or the Ugly Sisters is just cruel. They're both quite attractive, albeit not as conventionally as Kate, and I've seen plenty of photos where they are dressed well.

Andrew is a colossal nob. Nobody likes him, he does fuck-all for anyone, and thinks he can spunk the taxpayers' money like he's heir to the throne in 1782. He also has a very misguided idea of how much of a flying fuck people give about his daughters. There was a story about him insisting on spending thousands and thousands on 24 hour bodyguards protecting B and E when they went travelling, even though he had been told they were very low risk and not a target at all.

My DF (not a fan of the royal family) has met a fair few of the royals at various fund raising functions. He says Anne is brilliant, Edward is charming but wet, the Queen is very intimidating. Andrew, on the other hand, stood up and made a speech at a function that my DF had organised to raise money for the British Olympic team. Andrew said he was very keen to help, and if anyone had any ideas, he'd love to hear them.

Later on, he came over to meet the organisers, and my DF said to him that his idea was to auction a charity round of golf with Andrew. People could bid for 3 holes each or something along those lines. Andrew said he thought that was a wonderful idea, and his people would be in touch.

At the end of the evening, my DF was beckoned aside by one of the minders, who said that it was disgraceful my DF had dared to speak directly to the Duke; that it was totally inappropriate to make any suggestions to him; and that Andrew had hated being "bothered" like that. He never did make a single contribution to the cause, other than turning up to eat the food and drink the wine, of course. What a cunt!

(for the record, I think both the girls are pretty, but whoever buys their clothes hates them!)

I'm sure I read somewhere that the reason George (and presumably Charlotte are dressed the way they are in photos etc is so that when they are dressed "normally" they aren't noticeable - generally we'd see the clothes first, so George in jeans, T short and mucky trainers is just going to be AN Other small boy.

They only encourage a culture of toadying up to your betters, and worse than that, the belief that people have 'betters'

Thing is, there was a time when part of their role was considered to be "setting an example" - which has obviously now gone down the toilet given the behaviour of too many of them

Unfortunately, many seem desperate to hang on to this outdated dream. Personally I'd have hoped the UK would have grown up and moved away from this by now, but apparently not

Andrew had hated being "bothered" like that

Another excellent example of how too many of them are "for show" rather than anything remotely useful

The late unlamented Princess Margaret visited a Scout/Guide international event I was involved with and gave an absolute masterclass in condescention and boredom; worse still, everyone involved had a story to tell of offence she'd caused before. Happily, the event leader was more than equal to the task of escorting her round, and provided another masterclass which I've never forgotten ... this time of how to remain polite to someone you have good reason to detest

Whatever Andrew is actually like, he clearly loves his daughters and wants the best for them.

If you had two children who had not found any particular career they could excel at, and who in the past would have just been expected to have made "a good marriage" by now, and there was a family business that was doing well that you thought they could work in, wouldn't you put in a word?

Princess Diana was the daughter of an Earl and was raised to do nothing but find herself a good husband. The "jobs" she had (part time nanny and cooking for dinner parties) were just a peacock-tail display of how good a wife she would be. She was clearly far from unintelligent but failed her O Levels twice and no one was bothered. She was basically very similar to Taggie O'Hara - and how we all swooned at that love story! Beatrice and Eugenie are only one generation down from this! They have probably had no encouragement in academic study or getting a proper career as no one in the family has ever had one. They are probably just being expected to find a rich husband now. And don't quote Zara Philips - she went into her family business too: eventing.

With the Queen and Philip getting older frailer, Anne nearing "retirement" age, maybe it would be a good idea to get Beatrice and Eugenie to do some more appearances and get paid for it, if they want to?

And as for this He also has a very misguided idea of how much of a flying fuck people give about his daughters. There was a story about him insisting on spending thousands and thousands on 24 hour bodyguards protecting B and E when they went travelling, even though he had been told they were very low risk and not a target at all. Well couldn't you say that about most parents? We all think our DCs are the bees knees. And I can tell you if B and E were my DD's, and they were the Queen's granddaughters I wouldn't give a shiny shite about someone saying they wouldn't be a target, I'd be worried sick and want every bit of security for them I could get.

Can't believe I am defending Prince Andrew here, but I do think it's less about royal privilege and more about a Dad wanting financial security for his daughters.

Why do do many say they "feel sorry" for the younger royals. I'm sure it must be a fantastic lifestyle otherwise why on earth would any of them want to cling to it do it.
Maybe they can't hack it in the real world, you know, that one where you have to go out and earn a living. Or maybe their employers (whoever they are) are sick of giving concessions to someone that they only really employed because of their royal status.

Either way they've asked daddy to ask nanny and uncle Charles if they can come and do work for them and then get to have super new apartments, bodyguards and get loads of holidays for free. The work they'll have to do get this luxury lifestyle? little more than turn up at some boring old function or two, stuff their faces (for free) then get a chauffeur driven ride back home. It'll be a "hard" life working for the "firm".

I certainly don't feel sorry for anyone that expects to live a life of huge wealth and privilege funded by the hard work of taxpayers. They want that life? let them pay for it themselves.

math

Not sure who you're quoting but it's not me. Odd, other people have had my posts attributed to them and vice versa on this thread

Id love a bit of financial security for my daughters too.....wonder if the taxpayers will give it them. sod off Andrew, we all want what's best for our kids, you are taking the absolute piss.

B & E didn't have much of a chance with parents like Andrew and Fergie. I think B manages to follow her mum more in the entitled and useless stakes though.

From my experience, royalty can make a big difference to charity events and some corporate support. Of course, it can also be a huge hindrance if the royal in question is a bitch, commits to things and then pulls out and generally expects the charity to spend much of its time pandering to her.

I agree it's not B&Es fault who their parents are, parents with a huge sense of entitlement. But I think they are both old enough now to have a rough idea of the mood of the country. Hard working people are struggling to keep their heads above water, the last thing they want to hear is that they're expected to support two work shy women in a massively lavish lifestyle. Why the hell should we. What a prat Andrew is to suggest it in times like these. But then what does he care about hard times. "Let them eat cake"

God this thread is bitchy.

Can't we have a debate about the roles of two women without descending into personal comments about figures, eyes and clothes.

Fucking shameful.

ODFOD. 90% of the royal job is simply being on display and being looked at = appearance is totally utterly relevant. It's not like they're doing brain surgery or nuclear physics or running the country and we're talking about their boobs and shoes. They're angling for a job which is largely based on being gawped at and keeping up appearances.

I think they are both old enough now to have a rough idea of the mood of the country

Yes, they're old enough, but if they're surrounded by people who also have family money, a sense of entitlement and no expectation that they'll ever get a job, I suspect they don't realise.

I'm not excusing it - but I would guess the don't have much of a clue about how the majority of the population lives.

I agree it should never be about appearances and clothes etc, but tbf didn't Diana start it all off. With her, it was all about what she wore, her hair, jewellery etc. It became ridiculous, she was on the cover of practically every magazine for years purely for what outfit she was wearing.. and she loved it.

The younger royals now seem to be following on from that and want to emulate celebrities and make a huge deal out of what they're wearing, and have the public admire them for what they're wearing and how they look. So I suppose it's natural that the public will discuss them in that way.

90% of the royal job is simply being on display and being looked at = appearance is totally utterly relevant.

Yes. They certainly dont have an brains or talent to do anything with.

So when all they do is stand cutting ribbons or attend parties, they could at least get their dress sense right.

www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/features/a16956/princess-eugenie-of-york-interview/

Look at the clothes, the photographs and the day in the life and a total spoilt brat who doesn't understand the meaning of the word work.

Nowhere in there does she struggle with house work, paying bills and rent or do anything other than get up, go to the park, go to "work", faff around and go to bed. Throw in a mention of grannys Balmoral Castle

But the poor little darling gets less than 7 hours sleep.

www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/features/a16956/princess-eugenie-of-york-interview/

What struck me about that article was how childlike she sounded. She is 26 but she appears to speak like a 15 year old at times.

Because she has never had to do anything for herself, doesn't know a thing about the world and is spoiled and pampered.

What struck me about the article was this:

6:00 P.M. I'll go home, change, and go to the event. I love trying new looks. I don't want to be pigeonholed. You wear the same thing twice? Great. If you don't, great! And if that means wearing a green Sandro dress, great. I wore that to Granny's birthday parade, with a Vivien Sheriff hat. I also wore this amazing red Eponine dress for Granny's 90th-birthday service at St. Paul's.

Specifically this line:

You wear the same thing twice? Great. If you don't, great!

She actually thinks people can choose to buy and wear articles of designer clothing once and never again. WTF. I am still wearing a black mac I bought for £15 in an M&S sale in 2008 FFS. That is how it is for most people.

But then we are expected to fund them to be full time Royals when they already do fuck all and want to do even less.

Victorian? Nope.
The 1950s, perhaps.

She is GORGEOUS in that first pic though (totally agree with the PP that they're more sylish than boring Kate)

However.. that diary.. that's not a real job : "I go in, check out some intagrams and online art articles.. go for lunch, sit in a meeting, then go home at 5"

Whose day is really like that? unless you're just hired to impress shallow clients?

That's not work that's a play-job!