The Duke of York wants his daughters to be full time Royals?

[MidnightVelvetthe7th]

www.express.co.uk/news/royal/724136/prince-andrew-requests-princesses-beatrice-eugenie-kensington-prince-charles-queen-william

This is a Sunday Express link, not a Fail one.

So Andrew wants both of his daughters to have full time royal roles funded by the public & have larger apartments at Kensington Palace. Given that the only time I ever see them in the news is for dreadful outfits & holidays, to me they are embarrassing & a bit cringy.

Andrew is complaining that they are overshadowed by William, Catherine & Harry. But if you believe & support a system of privilege by birth such as the monarchy, then it stands to reason that the direct heirs are more important than the rest.

Does Andrew have a point & IABU?!

No ones day is really like that. On 23rd December last year, I couldnt get out of the office until 8:45pm. I had too much to do before the Christmas shut down.

She had probably been on holiday for a month before then.

I used to have a job that entailed marshalling ladies who lunch onto fundraising committees for various charities - none had a paid job or any childcare responsibilities (nannies for the little ones, then boarding school), but I was constantly amazed at how 'busy' they all were. The gym, lunch with other ladies, putting on a dinner for hubby's boss/useful contacts... they were forever in a rush, and talking about how little time they have.

Seemed very bizarre to me - fascinating in a horrifying sort of way, but definitely bizarre.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3866376/Fergie-opens-close-bond-ex-husband-Prince-Andrew.html
Fergie is absolutely shameless.

balloonslayer And as for this He also has a very misguided idea of how much of a flying fuck people give about his daughters. There was a story about him insisting on spending thousands and thousands on 24 hour bodyguards protecting B and E when they went travelling, even though he had been told they were very low risk and not a target at all. Well couldn't you say that about most parents? We all think our DCs are the bees knees. And I can tell you if B and E were my DD's, and they were the Queen's granddaughters I wouldn't give a shiny shite about someone saying they wouldn't be a target, I'd be worried sick and want every bit of security for them I could get.

Aye - and you could pay for it!! Fine for him to want security for his daughters. Not fine for him to disregard the professional risk assessment that says "it is not worth spending tax payers' money on this".

Just read that Fergie article, christ she does talk bollocks.

^It is about just because in our fairtytales, which when we were little we were brought up with, that along comes the prince on a white charger in the castle.
'Actually, what if the real, true thing is to find yourself and to find peace and happiness within yourself?'
'That is where the true nurturing, the true castle is, is you. And then after that, see what happens^

Actual photo of ugly stepsisters in Cinderella. That other one was photoshopped.

Fergie's twitter is comedy gold.

I agree it should never be about appearances and clothes etc, but tbf didn't Diana start it all off. With her, it was all about what she wore, her hair, jewellery

Er, Diana started it off did she? Have you missed the thousand odd years of royalty wearing big old crowns, jewels, waving around sceptres, cladding themselves in velvet and ermine and having sumptuary laws so nobody could dress as finely as them and they were legally obliged to be the best dressed in the land.

It definitely wasn't Diana who started it. Royalty has always been about warmongering, power and impressive display. Since they lost the power and warmongering isn't encouraged these days it's basically about display.

Kate is a Princess

No she isn't, in this country you can only be Princess X if you are born a princess. She has a title that is because of her husband's status ie Princess William or Duchess of Cambridge.

This is exactly the same with Diana, who was NEVER Princess Diana but Diana, princess of Wales.

Money grabbing bastards the lot of them

Victoria was quite a trend setter, it definitely didn't start at Diana

(and as well as fashion she also made breast feeding less socially acceptable, a "trend" we still follow to some extent)

And as I further commented in that very same post, I pointed that out.

However Di did turn regular charity work into a fashion parade and somehow got praised for that rather than chastised for how distasteful it was????

Diana also ran in to operating theatres and tipped off the press she was there to photograph her not scrubbed in properly and plastered in make up.

This benefited who?

I am sure the patient and surgeon benefitted from her presence without a single olevel to her name.

What I find odd is the Orders of Precedence,

eg Kate bows to Beatrice & Eugenie unless with William in which case they bow to her.

Those in the know, eg, those who have worked with them, do they really go about bowing to each other, like on an average Wednesday, when Corrie's on and someone's just made a brew?

Or on Christmas when they are pottering about between rooms?

EverySongbirdSays Im sure I read/heard something that said they observe the etiquette on seeing each other for the first time that day, but after that it's just "regular" family behaviour.

Oh well, CaveMum my version is funnier.

Here's a brew Eugenie

Cheers Kate (no bow)

Oh drat Williams home

Andrew often seems to have expectations above his station. ( or at least is reported as having such)

He needs to have a conversation with his big sister - who may well make a better Queen than Charles being King.

I'm fine with most aspects of the Royal Family - but not perhaps this.

I'd prefer it to move towards a bicycling monarchy - like the Dutch?

Could the girls not just join one of the services? It seems to have suited most other young Royals.

If I was being a bit out of order hasn't Andrew got an old mate who could find the girls jobs?

What's a bicycling monarchy?

Princess Diana was never even Princess Diana. She was technically Princess Charles of Wales

Victoria had some downright peculiar hang-ups about giving birth, breastfeeding and the female body, which seem to have had a lasting influence on how women see themselves.

Perhaps when Andrew chose to have them titled as Princesses there was some expectation from him that they would automatically become involved in Royal Duties?

I mean Anne's two seemed to have managed OK without titles or duties but are still of course HM's GC.

Harry seems to have got more into it when it suited, so perhaps there was no reason for Andrew to think that it wouldn't happen to B & E, also GC of the current monarch.

Perhaps Charles has been allowed some say sooner than anticipated with Mummy still on the throne!

Breastfeeding?

Nobility and royalty never did that. It was wet nurses and nannies all around.

They werent hang ups for the era, that attitude was normal.

For Victoria's era I mean. A wet nurse was normal.

I think he belongs on this thread - www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/2756979-Strange-and-amusing-incidents-of-unwarranted-self-importance