AIBU to think that if you commit an adult crime you shouldn't receive anonymity

[Ohbehave1]

After hearing that both of the children involved in the murder of a mother and daughter have been found guilty I think that they if they were adult enough murder someone, and then go and watch films and have sex after that they should be old enough to be named after.

Their crimes were particularly nasty, and as such they should live with the consequences for the rest of their lives. They certainly shouldn't be able to do a few years and then get out with anonymity and start their lives as if nothing ever happened.

It's curtains. My point was that even if I knew the names I would have no clue as to who they are or who their relatives are.

Not sure if that previous post is allowed - please delete if not

Your point isn't necessary valid behave. You don't know what you don't know if you don't know it.

That's a very sad article curtains. Answers a lot of questions.

I feel very sorry for the girl that was killed tho. Seems unnecessary spite, no matter what their beef was with the dinner lady.

I have sent you a pm ohbehave. Looks like the thread will be deleted.

Do remember bibbity that even through PM, legally you can't name or indicate who they are or why they did it

Oh well. I haven't named any names as I don't know the names as I haven't googled for the names

I didn't mean to come across there as patronising. Sorry.

Just don't want to see anyone get in trouble

It's not just names you can't say. You can't say anything which might indicate to who she is

I too think that this thread should be deleted. It's not going anywhere.

You see this is interesting Soubriquet. It is impossible to believe that the only people in the country who know who the murderers are are the police, the families involved, the jurors and the press. So if anyone else at all who actually knows them tells anyone else, then that is against the law? And what can the law do about it?

I've discussed it with my husband and a friend. Is that against the law?

I'm sorry if the thread goes and I understand why. But, really, all along my interest has been in this question of anonymity and how impossible it is to preserve it.

No I can't see how it works either tbh

The police can't watch everything but it isn't worth the risk really

Everyone in Spalding knows exactly who they are and the whole motive about it. When it first happened everyone was talking about it. Publicly.

Then the law came down and said you can't name them. And certain discussions had to stop

However the local newspapers Facebook groups don't seem quite as fast to take down incriminating posts as mumsnet are.

I'm surprised they hsvnt disabled comments on those articles as they must be liable.

Not everyone knows what they can and can't say really

It's clear that their identities are never going to be a secret, but if they are named in the press then there is never a chance of rehabilitation. Whether that is even a possibility in the future, who knows, but I'd rather they were given a chance than we lock away children from the age of 14 for the rest of their lives.
Every single aspect of this case is tragic. The more I read about it, the worse it is.
It might be very easy to find out who they are now, but over time, the links will become harder for most people to find. It has to be better for everyone that way.

It has to be better for everyone that way.

Does it?

When they are jailed, I doubt they will be jailed for their entire lives. If they are named they will be given new identities when they are released. If so, they will never stop looking over their shoulders for the rest of their lives worrying if someone will find out who they really are and what they did. I find some poetic justice in that after what they did.

Will part of the conditions of their release be about no contact with each other? If it's true what is being said and the catalyst for these murders was their relationship.

And how would this be monitored if they have new identities?

Surely the probation service / local police would have details of their new identities, so could monitor them?

They'd have to keep in contact with authorities as part of their release I believe.

Probably. The Bulger murderers were banned from ever contacting each other again.

If they are named they will be given new identities when they are released
So what's the point then?
It's very expensive to give people new identities. Why pay that when all you get is the names and photos of 2 people you never knew?
And there are the additional costs of protecting the other parents and any other siblings caught up in this. Why should they have to suffer?

If they were released they would still be under the life sentence and out on licence. Therefore they would be subject to monitoring by the police etc for the rest of their lives.

It is to protect their family. There are plenty of people around, I suspect you rare one, who would attack them.

It's not to protect their family though.