AIBU to think that if you commit an adult crime you shouldn't receive anonymity

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After hearing that both of the children involved in the murder of a mother and daughter have been found guilty I think that they if they were adult enough murder someone, and then go and watch films and have sex after that they should be old enough to be named after.

Their crimes were particularly nasty, and as such they should live with the consequences for the rest of their lives. They certainly shouldn't be able to do a few years and then get out with anonymity and start their lives as if nothing ever happened.

I'll PM you.

It's quite obvious who they are!

In what way Jen?

In the way you intended to, I have no doubt.

Elenden what is your agenda? I fear that you're just someone with an interest in true crime. Whatever your agenda your posts are massively distasteful x

Liney thank you, I appreciate that. Yes I do, I'm very lucky to have a good support network. I just get so riled when I see details of horror traded like gossip with a veneer of faux sympathy.

I didn't mean the kiss, it was supposed to be a full stop but I was being wrestled by a 2 year old who wants a biscuit!

It's quite obvious who they are!

Yes, and for anyone who hadn't figured it out, your post of 13:43 would have put them in the picture.

I didn't hear the details on the radio, albeit Radio 4, but on google I held my nose and went onto news sites for the details.

How does giving out the details of how the woman and girl killed, give out identifying details? It's all over the place. For very obvious reasons.

Thanks. Have reported myself.

Oh fgs! Just do yourself a favour and stop posting until you can work it out elendon

I don't know and don't want to know.

I'm thinking people may want to know the reasoning because a reason makes more sense and makes the general public feel safer then a random spree.

If that makes any sense I'm not that eloquent I'm afraid.

Whatever happened it's a horrible tragedy and my thoughts are with the victims family.

Was going to report but see it's already gone.

I'm stopping posting. And leaving this thread. I apologise. But I was never posting out of any feminist agenda, I think this case is cross gender/sex. I do think there is a case to be heard about those who drive the knife in and those who suggest it.

It is a horrible case. Just awful.

www.theguardian.com/society/2016/oct/19/lincolnshire-launches-serious-case-review-over-teenage-spalding-killers

The article outlines how the girl who has been convicted was known to social services from a young age, and was briefly in care following an incident of domestic violence, and was known to mental health services. She began the relationship with the boy when she was just 13, by the looks of it; and attempted suicide shortly before the murders.

That's all in the Guardian article today, to be clear.

Wow. That puts an interesting perspective on things.

There is an incident from a year ago that's still searchable in the mainstream press that I imagine is relevant to the motive. But I'm surprised that's been published.

Once that is published the matter of anonymity becomes a moot point anyway because anyone who knows the victims will be able to identify the 15 yr old girl. Her boyfriend stands more chance of keeping anonymity than she does.

Afternoon folks. Just a reminder that we will have to remove any posts that may identify the perpetrators involved (whether intentionally or not) and if it continues to happen we may have to delete the entire thread, so please do be careful about what you post. Thanks for your help.

That guardian article just makes it worse. Very sad

I do think there is a case to be heard about those who drive the knife in and those who suggest it.

Two men are doing life for the murder of Stephen Lawrence neither of whom was even alleged to be the actual knifeman. Be careful what you wish for before you attack the law of joint enterprise.

Stephen Lawrence's case is the perfect example of joint enterprise. It's also the shame of the British legal system, his family were failed every step of the way.

"The court heard that the pair first embarked on a romance in May 2015, nearly a year before the killings were carried out in April, developing what a consultant forensic psychiatrist, Dr Philip Joseph, described as a toxic “Bonnie and Clyde”-style relationship.

"Appearing as an expert witness for the prosecution, Joseph said the 15-year-olds would not have killed without each other and insisted their crimes had no connection to any mental illness, as had been claimed in the girl’s defence."

From the Guardian today.

Liney I read that report and also one in another paper which went into detail that she had witnessed domestic violence as a young child by her father against her mother, but it was her mother who punched her in the face at six and also she was returned to her.

I'm starting to feel really very sorry for this girl.

ayeokthen You may have noticed that the people who campaign against joint enterprise never mention the Lawrence case - it's acceptable when it puts two vicious racist thugs in gaol.

From what I have read the role of the girl in this horrible case was similar to that of the men now in gaol - not the actual knife-wielder but just as much to blame.