to feel that this is making me hate living in Scotland?

[Stardustlady]

I have posted here before about this - the incessant talk of referendums and yesterday's news about the bloody SNP drawing up a bill for bloody indyref 2. I am so fucking sick of it, I truly am. I love my life here but am just so fed up of the constant threat of independence referendums, I cannot and will not bear another one. My job would be seriously at risk in the event of independence and in any case I just wouldn't want to live here or bring my family up with the consequences of independence.

It's making me hate being Scottish and hate living in Scotland when I can never feel settled as the threat is constantly hanging over us. There are idiots on my FB celebrating the 'announcement' of indyref2 yesterday and I have just had enough of it all, I thought this was settled in 2014.

Truly hope Nicola Sturgeon is put in her place over this and told that no she's not getting another referendum and to get on with her actual job of running the country.

[aliceinwanderland]

I can really sympathise OP. I'd rather expected indy ref 2 to be announced even sooner after the Brexit vote. But indy supporting DP,who is quite connected to a number of politicians thinks that NS wasn't keen on having the vote so soon. I'm guessing the collapsed oil price would be one reason. But there are a lot of very fervent SNP supporters who she has to keep happy. Just like David Cameron pandered to the eurosceptics by having the Brexit vote.

The only difference for me personally is that last time I would definitely have moved if it had been yes last time. Ironically now I've moved jobs, if Scotland votes for independence this time I would pretty much have a job for life. DP would be at risk of losing his though. So who knows.

Also think the voters who had a postive experience last time should not assume that because they had a good election that everyone did. I had some nasty comments directed at me last time, some of which were racist anti-English. And in my opinion racism has to be judged from the position of the person on the receiving end of those comments, not the person making them. And the SNP attempts to intimidate the media, including the BBC, we're pretty horrible.

And if the OP needs counselling or to move then so do the 48% of Brits that voted remain in June!

[PigletWasPoohsFriend]

By the way I have no idea what NS's plan

Independence. Her life long ambition.

Let's not kid ourselves, if it wasn't Brexit it would be some other reason to go again and again.

[madgingermunchkin]

But she's not effective. She keeps promising/threatening things she cannot deliver.

She's no more effective or wonderful than Salmond, she's just a prettier, more media savvy package.

[toopeoply]

Around here, the no voters kept quiet and the yes voters were very vocal. Alot of vandalism too. Anyway I don't thing NS will call for indyref2. It's all rhetoric. She'll only consider doing so if she's guaranteed to win and that's not the case right now.

[Igneococcus]

I feel like this OP. I'm not British, have lived in Scotland since 2002, loved it and felt very much at home here but the referendum has really changed this. I hated every moment of it. Another referendum would be awful for Scotland and there would be absolutely no guarantee that Scotland could join the EU and if it could it would be entirely according to the EU's conditions.

[SailingThroughTime]

I think if Scotland has a referendum and votes to leave, the UK should have another referendum about Brexit as when we voted, it was with the understanding that the whole of the UK would leave or stay. It's rather different to leave and have Scotland stay so the goalposts will have changed and we'd need to vote again.
And on it would go....

[LuluJakey1]

The voices of SNP members are in some of these comments. The snippy, niggly, get-at-you-because-you-criticise-us vouces that never actually answer the point about Scotland having a waek economy, huge benefits bill, poor health statistics and few resources- it will never be able to support itself without being propped up by the rest if the UK financially-as it is now. North-Sea Gas and Oil are a dead industry - I was told that only this week by an MD of one of the companies who worked in the field and who have re-located their business because the area is profitless now. The EU won't want Scotland - it has nothing to contribute financially to the EU and they show no interest in Sturgeon. She is small fish.
Scottish taxation will boom, public services will be cut to the minimum. Companies will flee south.
The SNP have no argument - they just hate the English and are power mad.

[Stardustlady]

I agree 100% Lulu. There are some dangerous fanatics amongst the SNP's number.

[Stardustlady]

And it won't just be the companies that flee south. People, too; many of them the tax payers whose taxes an independent Scotland would badly need.

[bikerlou]

Yes good luck with that, it was a nightmare the last time and although I don't live there my Scottish friends said it caused the break up of lifelong friendships.

[MilkandAssal]

Do Scotland even qualify for joining the EU? I don't think they do.

I can't understand why it's going around again. You don't get to keep calling referendums because you didn't get the answer you wanted. If that was the case we'd be having another Brexit vote. It's a fucking democracy and people voted. Scotland need to move on and get on with the decision made.

[MilkandAssal]

No one will take Scotland seriously as an independent country, that's an issue. What'll happen to the military? Allies? Currency?

Like the Unilever and Tesco debacle, what happens if say BT or TalkTalk etc leave Scotland as they're no longer a part of the UK?

Tax implications? NHS? NHS employees? I don't think Scotland could even scrape in enough contributions to replace the NHS let alone any other public service.

[OMGyoumustbekidding]

I have experienced anti english racism ( only since snp and referendum). I am a Scot, but spent childhood in england, lived here 10 years and loved it for a while. Since the SNP and Independence campaign I have been called a mongrel, accused of pushing up house prices, had various people accuse me of differing politics, finances and life experiences based on stereotypes of what someone from the south east of England might be like.

Apparently nicola doesn't have an anti english bone in her body 😞 If that is the case then I am surprised her bones haven't run off just leaving an angry slug behind.

[TrollTheRespawnJeremy]

Meanwhile, as everyone is distracted over hopes/fears of Indy2...business rates are set to go through the roof.

Hospitality trade (Scotlands largest earner) being hit the hardest. Potential to lose thousands of jobs.

Independent Scotland will be wonderful with no businesses or jobs for the people who live there.

When Scotland joined England in the UK, it was on its knees financially. (All eggs in one basket and had invested heavily in the Darien colony which failed). I don't see things being any better this time around.

[OMGyoumustbekidding]

I know, they are so anti business. My husband would need to re establish his business somewhere else if we leave. May sound selfish, but I want a future for my kids and it is looking increasingly like Scotland will not be a place where they can have one.

[TrollTheRespawnJeremy]

We're in the same boat OMG.

My MIL has a larger business that has done better in recent years and she runs an apprenticeship scheme to get young people in as well.

If they are squeezed financially, they will have to toss it. As they can't afford to have non-working 'teaching' staff to supervise them. They'd need all hands on deck.

We support a number of local schools, community groups and charities. In small but regular ways. But if it's a choice between keeping my staff (to ensure I can take a day off when I already work 50 hr weeks) or supporting a charity then I am sorry but my health comes first.
What a shit choice to have to make.

[ItsAllGoingToBeFine]

Well, that was a subtle bumping of an old thread

[TrollTheRespawnJeremy]

Oh ffs I didn't even notice.

[ForalltheSaints]

There would be little talk if the English had not voted Leave last June. I wish they hadn't.

Personally I have supported Scottish independence for many years, as it is a country with its own identity which can stand on its own feet in the world.

[OMGyoumustbekidding]

It was a UK wide vote the "English" didn't do anything to us that the "Welsh" didn't. Remarkable how it is always the "English". A hell of a lot of Scottish people voted to leave. A hell of a lot of English and Welsh voted to remain. It was a close vote. The deal we had in the EU was as part of being in the UK and it wasn't that great to be honest. Now the rest of our pals are out the deal would be rubbish, but the snp will do anything to get independence however bad the outcome for Scotland.

[OMGyoumustbekidding]

Haha!!! Sorry "itsallgoingtobefine" just realised how old this thread is sorry for bumping

[EngTech]

An old thread 😬

Well until NS gets what she wishes, we will never hear the end of the subject.

One question, that can't be answered is "Who is the bank of last resort?"

It's not the Bank of England and does Scotland really want the Euro ? 😬

[ItsAllGoingToBeFine]

Scotland really want the Euro

Its beginning to look like a safer bet than the £...

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