to feel that this is making me hate living in Scotland?

[Stardustlady]

I have posted here before about this - the incessant talk of referendums and yesterday's news about the bloody SNP drawing up a bill for bloody indyref 2. I am so fucking sick of it, I truly am. I love my life here but am just so fed up of the constant threat of independence referendums, I cannot and will not bear another one. My job would be seriously at risk in the event of independence and in any case I just wouldn't want to live here or bring my family up with the consequences of independence.

It's making me hate being Scottish and hate living in Scotland when I can never feel settled as the threat is constantly hanging over us. There are idiots on my FB celebrating the 'announcement' of indyref2 yesterday and I have just had enough of it all, I thought this was settled in 2014.

Truly hope Nicola Sturgeon is put in her place over this and told that no she's not getting another referendum and to get on with her actual job of running the country.

YANBU OP. I'm starting to hate living in Scotland too. The last referendum was horrendous and I really can't take another one.

The EU would not touch Scotland with a ten foot pole.

I would certainly hope for some clarification from the EU on this before a vote. It would massively simplify things if the vote could be in the UK or in the EU.

We really do not need another referendum and it beggars belief really that anyone would think we did.

This is what people voted for. It would be undemocratic not to have one.

We don't know if the EU would accept Scotland as a separate country or not. That's the issue.

I'm rather tired of people voting for pigs in a poke, based on emotion and gut feel rather than any facts other than totally spurious made up ones displayed on the side of a bus.

If there is another Independence referendum, it doesn't look as if it will have any more hard facts than the Brexit vote.

Itsallgoingtobefine

The EU won't clarify. As far as they are concerned, they've been screwed over by Britian. Any chance to be childish and cause more chaos and they will take it.

Stardust I am sorry for what happened to your friends but it doesn't change what I posted.

I'm not entirely convinced there will be another referendum. There is uncertainty about how the votes would move about. Yy there are some 'no' voters who would have moved to 'yes' because of Brexit but there are some 'Lexit' voters who may move from 'yes' to 'no'. I don't think consultations have been clear enough on the outcome of all the swinging.

But actually StarDust if this is making you hate where you live and your nationality but you don't want to move then perhaps it would be beneficial to take a step back from it all (avoid social media for starters!) and possibly consider counselling. I can't imagine that hating your nationality is a very healthy or happy place to be.

When I voted to Remain I most categorically did not vote to have another independence referendum.

It's hugely insulting to remain voters in Scotland to insinuate that they voted to remain purely down to Ms Sturgeon's influence.

'This is what people voted for. It would be undemocratic not to have one.'

No it would be utterly undemocratic to ignore the wishes of the 55% who voted to remain in the UK in 2014. Love the way that the SNP have co-opted the word democracy to mean 'getting their way'. The SNP have absolutely zero respect for democracy. Zero.

i agree with couch you do sound terribly unhappy OP and I can't imagine how awful it must be to hate where you live like this.

Can you move to another part of the Uk if it is upsetting you so much? Would counselling be an option? Also agree that removing yourself from Social Media might be a way of protecting yourself, it can't be healthy.

It would be so helpful if the EU would state whether or not they would accept Scotland but I do agree with other posters with regards to the EU accepting Scotland just to stick it in the eye to the Brits. I don't think "the rules" would stop this if they got the opportunity!!! They make the rules and Britain has made itself extremely unpopular.

No it would be utterly undemocratic to ignore the wishes of the 55% who voted to remain in the UK in 2014

People were told in 2014 that a No vote was the only way to guarantee remaining in the EU. They were also promised a significant devolution of further powers.

Brexit changes everything.

The thing is I don't want to move, I just want all this to stop and I thought it had in 2014. It's the worry and the instability that are so upsetting. I would like to be able to say that we will live where we do until our kids have left school, we are all happy and settled here with a lovely house, school and job.

But how can i feel totally settled when the threat of independence hangs over Scotland and with it the knowledge that I would probably HAVE to move?

I really don't think the OP needs counselling. It's a rather veiled insult, a bit like telling all those who voted Remain to just get over it.

This is huge. It's added uncertainty on top of the whole Brexit debacle. OP has a right to feel unsettled and to post about it.

I feel unsettled too. It doesn't occupy every waking hour, but it certainly concerns me enough that DH and I have worked out our exit strategy.

Why would you HAVE to move?

Itsall if we had voted yes we would be out of the EU now.

And in fact there's no evidence that people voted no because of the EU.
www.scottishreferendumstudy.com/ I suspect it was low on people's list of reasons why they voted no. The main reason was not cowardice as was regularly suggested but the fact that the SNP had no sensible and viable case for support! The Vow didn't sway many people either - another oft trotted out SNP myth.

I don't want to out myself by giving further details but it's highly likely I'd be out of a job if Scotland became independent.

There would be no guarantee that we could join the EU until after independence- it would be entirely unknown at the point of a vote.

Scotland would financially be on its arse and those who want to leave (many of the taxpayers NS is so reliant on shafting in an attempt to make her numbers stack up particularly given oil prices are through the floor) would be trapped as unable to sell property to get out.

I live in Scotland and was extremely concerned and stressed during the first referendum. I always knew that Sturgeon would go for a 2nd one as soon as she could. This will be her legacy, it's all she cares about and this time I believe she will get her way.

I'm not going to invest the same amount of heart and soul in the next one. The last one should have been where the answer was given and the SNP let the matter lie. But of course they didn't. They won't.

Brexit is the excuse. If there were no Brexit I have no doubt that Sturgeon would eventually find another one.

I'll use my vote, for what it's worth. If we are then separated from the rest of the UK I'll live with the consequences, I have not doubt, for the rest of my life.

If it all goes tits up, Sturgeon will disappear with her pension, no worse off.

Totally agree with you OP.I too am heartily sick of all this independence and referendum talk of late. I know we live in a democracy but still.... Next thing we know they will be holding a referendum to see who wants a referendum!

That's unfortunate but, as people keep on saying on the Brexit threads, that's the price you pay for democracy! Brexit cost me personally a lot of money and will affect my future job prospects - even more galling as I couldn't vote.

Did you vote to leave or remain in the Brexit referendum, OP?

Oh great allegretto, I'll tell my kids that the fact we have no money, can't pay our bills and our lives are shite that that's the price of democracy and independence!

Or I'll move south where I'll be able to get a job.

I voted remain.

Stardust you don't sound settled. You have stated in lots of your posts how much you hate the SNP and atm they are a big force in Scotland. You even think they're undemocratic despite them being a political party elected by a public vote.
I remember when I stayed in a house that I hated. Everything about it started to annoy me. I'm sure I probably sounded as stressed and unhappy as you do.
I appreciate you might not be able to move but I think you have to accept that the SNP do have support in Scotland; that as long as they do there will be conversations about independence and if that makes you so unhappy you're turning to social media then either you should try cognitive behaviour therapy or consider moving. Such unhappiness, stress and anger isn't sustainable especially when the causes (how other people vote) is outwith your control.

A lot of people in the U.K. and a lot of UK citizens in the EU are living with huge uncertainty and turmoil right now. It's extremely unpleasant.

I am not saying it is right - just that that seems to be the standard response on mumsnet! FWIW it sounds like this at least would be a fairer referendum than the Brexit one where so many people were disenfranchised. I can quite see how frustrating it is though - I am living with the consequences of Brexit now and I find it VERY frustrating.