to feel that this is making me hate living in Scotland?

[Stardustlady]

I have posted here before about this - the incessant talk of referendums and yesterday's news about the bloody SNP drawing up a bill for bloody indyref 2. I am so fucking sick of it, I truly am. I love my life here but am just so fed up of the constant threat of independence referendums, I cannot and will not bear another one. My job would be seriously at risk in the event of independence and in any case I just wouldn't want to live here or bring my family up with the consequences of independence.

It's making me hate being Scottish and hate living in Scotland when I can never feel settled as the threat is constantly hanging over us. There are idiots on my FB celebrating the 'announcement' of indyref2 yesterday and I have just had enough of it all, I thought this was settled in 2014.

Truly hope Nicola Sturgeon is put in her place over this and told that no she's not getting another referendum and to get on with her actual job of running the country.

[ItsAllGoingToBeFine]

Surely by having numerous ones it's kind of like saying "I dont like the answer you gave last time, so I will ask until you give me the answer I want"?

Kind of like we have a general election every five years, we don't just say that Tories/Labour won, it's settled, the other parties should just disband?

A second referendum is only the cards because people voted for the party that promised it.

[gininteacupsandleavesonthelawn]

I totally agree. And agree that Brxit changes nothing, Scotland in the EU is a laughable concept that makes no fiscal sense. It was a once in a generation referendum, not once every time the U.K. does something the SNP don't like. I also wish they'd get on with actually doing what they have a mandate to do and create positive change for Scotland with the considerable powers afforded to them.

I hate the fact that we'd be stuck here if it happened, I love Scotland but would want to leave if we became independent and moreso independent and rejoining EU. However the likely hood is id be in negative equity and unable to sell me house so very much trapped. Horrible.

[GruochMacAlpin]

OP none of my family or friends knew what I was voting beforehand.

I saw plenty of very unpleasant rhetoric from the "no" side too by the way.

[gininteacupsandleavesonthelawn]

'Itsallgoingtobefine' this is nothing like a general election! We don't get to vote back in in 5yeard when it all inevitably goes to shit

[PigletWasPoohsFriend]

I agree with you OP.

[Stardustlady]

The SNP do not have a majority at Holyroid and received 46.5% of the vote. So the majority of Scots did not vote for them.

Honestly I am just so sick of it all. I would move to England tomorrow if it meant I never had to see that bloody woman with her utter contempt for no voters banging on about fucking independence again.

[ItsAllGoingToBeFine]

Itsallgoingtobefine' this is nothing like a general election! We don't get to vote back in in 5yeard when it all inevitably goes to shit

I wasn't comparing referendums to general elections. I was explaining how democracy works.

[Goingtobeawesome]

NS is just being silly if she thinks anyone would go for another referendum. She didn't win. Get over it.

[APlaceOnTheCouch]

You do know Police Scotland was very scathing about 'exaggerated rhetoric about disorder around the referendum. You can read part of the statement here .
I don't believe another referendum will upset my friendships or my family. We're all capable of holding different views comfortably.
What I am dreading is the deluge of social media grandstanding (like this thread - and I appreciate the irony of posting on it to say I hate it). Social media during the referendum was a disgrace with lots of bigotry, unsubstantiated claims of harassment, edited photos trying to present alternate versions of reality, etc.
I really wish all sides would stand down their social media staff and keyboard warriors. It creates a very unreal perception of the reality imo.

[ItsAllGoingToBeFine]

The SNP do not have a majority at Holyroid and received 46.5% of the vote. So the majority of Scots did not vote for them.

The Scottish Parliament is specifically set up to avoid majorities - it is truly remarkable that a party managed to gain one ever. The SNP are however the ruling party.

2,013,484 people voted for the SNP
1,026,066 voted for the Tories (next highest)

Seems like a fairly decisive majority?

[sandragreen]

I think anyone who believes that the EU won't accept Scotland, under pretty much any conditions, is fairly naive. They will do it just to rub the Brexiters noses in it.

OP if you really hate living where you do, can you relocate? Life is too short to feel the way you do about where you live.

[iminshock]

Yes exactly me too OP

[AyeAmarok]

I agree.

I'm dreading another one. Although almost resigned to it now.

[DanyellasDonkey]

Totally agree OP. So much for all the "Once in a generation" tripe that NS peddled at the first referendum. Now it seems that she didn't get her own way and will just keep forcing the issue until she does.

Considering that one of her great selling points was that Scotland would become so rich on the basis of the North Sea revenue, now that the arse has well and truly fallen out of that market, how anyone except the rank SNP supporters who think she is some kind of goddess could vote for independence now is beyond me.

[allegretto]

I can see what you mean OP but you say "My job would be seriously at risk in the event of independence and in any case I just wouldn't want to live here or bring my family up with the consequences of independence." Well, a lot of people feel like that about Brexit. Things have changed drastically since the first Scottish referendum so I think it is fair to give people a chance to stay in Europe. It is not just asking the same question, again - staying in Europe was a key point first time round.

[Stardustlady]

Three examples that happened to people I know well were; An elderly man and neighbour who displayed a no thanks sticker on his window having an egg thrown at his house; a work colleague with a no thanks car sticker having abuse re the sticker yelled at her from a passing car; a friends daughter who told classmates at school she was voting no having to go home as she felt physically threatened by a boy who snarled at her to fuck off to England. I also saw two normally sane colleagues on social media discussing how best to damage no thanks stickers and that using your key was best. Intact no thanks posters stickers and billboards were a rare thing as they were routinely vandalised and destroyed. Yes propaganda was generally left intact.

My English no voting friend was in tears after a Labour Party no voting event was gate crashed by yes voters who verbally abused her.

I have never felt so ashamed of Scotland or being Scottish as I did in 2014.

[BlancheBlue]

Ultimately the SNP have no answers to the currency issue

[PigletWasPoohsFriend]

I think anyone who believes that the EU won't accept Scotland, under pretty much any conditions, is fairly naive.

I think that anyone who thinks they will automatically be accepted is very naive.

[Stardustlady]

The point is itsall is that the majority of the electorate or even those that voted did not vote SNP.

[rookiemere]

I agree with you OP.

If anyone seriously thinks that just because Scotland had a majority for Remain, the Scottish are some how more open-minded and inclusive of other nationalities than the rest of the UK then they should have heard some of the anti-English sentiment being hurled around at the last Independence referendum.

Having said that I do have a grudging respect for Nicola Sturgeon now in the aftermath of Brexit. She has at least appeared proactive in going out and speaking to the EU (although it didn't get her very far) and being visible and vocal after the results, unlike the others.

I just feel as a non Scottish person living in Scotland, we're in a period of uncertainty, no one quite knows what will happen with Brexit, although we fear it will be hard Brexit, we don't know yet. To add more uncertainty on top is massively destabilizing for everyone.

And sorry to those saying she won't get it through this time, I suspect she will. Already a few of my friends who voted No last time are saying that they'd vote for it due to wanting to remain in Europe, not feeling able to support the conservative position and just being so fed up of the Brexit omnishambles. So I suspect that it would be a marginal Yes this time.

We'll be leaving as soon as DS finishes his education. Never planned to retire in Scotland and that was cemented by all the anti-English nonsense at the last referendum.

[madgingermunchkin]

This makes me sick.
Far too many lies being told by the SNP.

We will not be allowed to join the EU as a separate country. Spain will not allow it as it gives too much weight to the Basque separatists in their eyes. Even if we did manage to join, we would have to agree to take the Euro as our currency. A currency which is doomed and cannot carry on in the mess it is in. (Much like the EU itself, really)

So what then? And independent country outside of Britain, and out side of the EU. We wouldn't stand a chance.

We need to stick with Britian. It's our best bet.

[bluebeck]

DP works in Brussels and from the meetings he has, there is a strong will to accept an independent Scotland for precisely the reasons Sandra described. They will be rubbing their hands at the news.

I don't think some people really understand how wounded our European neighbours are by the Brexit vote.

[ItsAllGoingToBeFine]

The point is itsall is that the majority of the electorate or even those that voted did not vote SNP.

Which is why we need a referendum...

People go to the polls to vote for a party.
The party with the most MPs forms the government. I don't think any government has ever had a majority of votes as percentage of voting population?

The ruling party is deemed to have a mandate to pursue their policies, the SNPs policy was a referendum...

[Stardustlady]

The EU have strict conditions about acceptance. Scotland does not even come close to meeting those. An independent Scotland's financial position would be even more parlous. The EU would not touch Scotland with a ten foot pole.

[Stardustlady]

We really do not need another referendum and it beggars belief really that anyone would think we did.

If Scotland ever does become independent it will be very interesting to see how many people leave, I suspect there will be a mass exodus.