to feel that this is making me hate living in Scotland?

[Stardustlady]

I have posted here before about this - the incessant talk of referendums and yesterday's news about the bloody SNP drawing up a bill for bloody indyref 2. I am so fucking sick of it, I truly am. I love my life here but am just so fed up of the constant threat of independence referendums, I cannot and will not bear another one. My job would be seriously at risk in the event of independence and in any case I just wouldn't want to live here or bring my family up with the consequences of independence.

It's making me hate being Scottish and hate living in Scotland when I can never feel settled as the threat is constantly hanging over us. There are idiots on my FB celebrating the 'announcement' of indyref2 yesterday and I have just had enough of it all, I thought this was settled in 2014.

Truly hope Nicola Sturgeon is put in her place over this and told that no she's not getting another referendum and to get on with her actual job of running the country.

[FlyingElbows]

Op someone holding an opposing political view to your own does not make them an "idiot". If you're so uncomfortable here the just leave, the M74 is open 24 hours a day. Nobody's making you stay in a situation which is quite clearly causing you distress. I was a "no" voter and there was nothing unpleasant about my experience during the referendum. Perhaps you should consider a social media cull and actively avoiding the places where you know the die hard Bravehearts are to be found. I don't know a single "appallingly racist" person and have never experienced that sort of behaviour and I've been here my whole life! Infact my experience is completely the opposite of yours and we're regularly on the receiving end of racist "banter" from my English Bil. He's just a wanker though. Awful people are awful people and their country of birth has nothing to do with it.

[Coffeethrowtrampbitch]

I'm sorry you are upset at the prospect of another referendum.

I can only echo advice to stay off social media, it always raises my blood pressure .

I didn't want the EU referendum, I'd been disappointed in the IndyRef and couldn't face yet more bad news for the future of my kids, but it happened and now we face loosing a potential £66 billion if we leave the single market.

Many people are not in favour of independence, but are you £66 billion not in favour if we do turn out to have hard Brexit? If we know the cost of staying in the UK could be so high, won't it be worth taking the risks in order not to cripple the country with debt?

As others have said, vote No if you don't agree, but please really think about what a total disaster Brexit will be if it goes ahead. If we have any chance to avoid it, we need to grab it with both hands.

DH lost a job offer due to the Brexit vote, he was unemployed for 3 months and it will be a long time before we recover financially. That was just the vote, not the real thing, and I'm terrified of what could be to come.

[PigletWasPoohsFriend]

I was a "no" voter and there was nothing unpleasant about my experience during the referendum

Good for you.

Others on this thread have said they have.

[MargotsDevil]

I completely understand where the OP is coming from. Remember that the SNP were voted into parliament AFTER the Indy ref but BEFORE brexit - they were NOt voted in on an independence manifesto because remember the last time was meant to be the only time. I know a lot of disillusioned SNP voters who feel that they were misled - there has been little focus on delivering manifesto promises because they're too busy looking for a second referendum.

[Stardustlady]

That's great that you had a positive experience of being a no voter Flying.

Many, many others didn't and are horrified at the prospect of having to go through it all again.

[ItsAllGoingToBeFine]

they were NOt voted in on an independence manifesto

It was in the manifesto

[MargotsDevil]

Yes - as a long term aim as it has been forever. Not a "we will seek another referendum next year".

[MidnightAura]

I hate this. I really do. No should mean no. We were told it was once in a lifetime. It really bothers me that instead of you know actually running the country the snp are being undemocratic by not accepting the vote. What's Indy ref 2 going to cost us financially?

No apparently doesn't mean no if the SNP don't get their own way.

[tabulahrasa]

"That's great that you had a positive experience of being a no voter Flying.

Many, many others didn't and are horrified at the prospect of having to go through it all again."

There were areas were it was pretty horrible to be a yes voter.

But the referendum didn't make the no surrender bigots appear and they're still living here, so really a referendum is kind of not anything to do with the fact they exist.

[Stardustlady]

This article is from last year but sums up a lot of how I feel

www.spectator.co.uk/2015/05/the-year-that-scotland-learned-to-hate/

[MorrisZapp]

The Rifkind article is excellent.

[LuluJakey1]

I have come to loathe Nicola Sturgeon and her absolute determination to have what she wants at any cost. Like most of the SNP's current politicians, she is without style, class or real political intelligence.

Independence would be an economic disaster for Scotland but she does not care. Her hatred for the English and her own ego overcomes anything else.

Scotland has few resources, many areas of social deprivation, a poor economy, awful health statistics, yet somehow she thinks the billions that come from Westminster can be backfilled without taxation increasing in Scotland. Europe will have no interest in Scotland. When Scotland is over run by immigrants, the Scottish benefits sytem has to support them and taxation is increased, the words will be different.

I am uninterested in keeping Scotland as part of the UK- they can do what they like- but I am appalled by the SNP and their inability to see the truth and the lies they tell the Scottish people.

[petitpois55]

When Scotland is overrun by immigrants Wow, arent you just a peach.

[cdtaylornats]

If you want racism in action be a student at a Scottish university from England, Ireland or Wales - then you can be the only students from the EU to pay fees.

The faux horror of the SNP about companies being asked to provide lists of foreign workers, but in the run up to the EU referendum the SNP wrote to all of the EU citizens in Scotland - they must have a list.

[ItsAllGoingToBeFine]

SNP wrote to all of the EU citizens in Scotland - they must have a list

Er yes. It's called the electoral roll. EU citizens were disenfranchised for the purposes of the Brexit referendum, so an electoral roll was produced without those pesky foreigners on it.

[GladAllOver]

Scotland simply cannot afford to be independent, let alone meet the EU entry criteria.
Sturgeon is simply bringing it up again to keep up her profile.

[petitpois55]

I wish we had someone like sturgeon in England. I hope her profile continues to grow.
She's certainly well thought of in the EU.

[GruochMacAlpin]

Actually Jakey Scotland doesn't have enough people, an increase in immigrants is fine.

trying desperately not to laugh at your username

[madgingermunchkin]

Well then petitpois you can have her.

She's as slimy, dodgy and kniving as Salmond.

[cdtaylornats]

Presumably by the logic of Scotland wanting to be in the EU because it voted not to leave then if we had IndyRef2 and (say) Dumfries, Ayrshire and Edinburgh voted No while the rest voted Yes then Sturgeon would be okay with them not being dragged out of a union against their will and would encourage them to seek out an accommodation with rUK.

[Rainbunny]

"Nicola Sturgeon seems to be the only leader currently listening to people and not taking us down a path of marginalisation

But don't the recent polls on this show that the majority of people in Scotland DON'T want another referendum, even after the Brexit result? Not quite sure how pushing on with it anyway is meant to be "listening" to the people...

I have sympathy regarding being pulled out of the EU against the majority Scottish stay vote but it's clear to me what NS is doing now - she's stirring the political pot trying bring more confusion to the Brexit process to weaken the government's position further before negotiating Article 50. Of course she will make all the outrageous threats that she can to derail the process and weaken the UK's negotiating position since she's hoping the UK will end up facing such a harsh and terrible deal on the table that the government ultimately decides not go through with it.

For the record I believe this is also the intention of Brussels as well, given the statements EU leaders have been making recently. Punish the UK as harshly as possible and demand a punitive settlement payment to leave in the hopes that the government decides the only sensible thing to do is to stay in the EU after all. It won't work but I truly think Juncker, Tusk, Schulz et al actually think it is still possible to prevent Brexit from happening. They really don't understand the British I'm afraid. I was a Remainer fwiw but unnecessary threats of dire outcomes before negotiations begin is having the opposite effect on me.

[Nicketynac]

I had an awkward encounter at a family wedding a few weeks after the referendum when a man I had never met brought it up at dinner. He was pretty drunk and I said I didn't think it was appropriate to discuss politics at a wedding and he was horrible to me. Sneering, waving his arms about and getting louder and louder. His wife told him to shut up and in fairness, he did, but it made me very uncomfortable.
I felt the atmosphere in my local area (and on my FB timeline) was tense for ages after the vote. People were "sore losers" or else gloating.
I don't want another vote for a long time. It was emotionally exhausting.

[Kurtiz]

Oh yeah cause right now I'd much rather live in England. Place looks like it just keeps getting better and better....
If there is another referendum and you want to vote no then do it. If it doesn't work out the way you hoped and you feel that strongly then you'll need to unfortunately move. But the whole world is in a fucking state right now and what we are dealing with is pretty minor in comparison to other countries. You cannot expect things to remain static because it would negatively impact on you. That's not the way life is.

[Onprozacandmyhighhorse]

I agree with everything you say OP. I don't want to continue living here either. Have you noticed on the 6 o'clock news practically every night starts with "The first minister says....." Honestly, it's like living in North Korea with state TV. I feel like throwing a brick through it some nights. I've always been proud to be a Scot and I'm equally proud to be British but I feel totally different since 2014. I feel really disappointed in my country and how we treat our neighbours.
One thing which really bothers me is our local MSP (snp) is an out and out IRA supporter and has stated categorically that the snp will get rid of the monarchy once they get independence and only said the opposite during the referendum because they knew people wouldn't vote for this. I just feel they are riding roughshod over anything they don't agree with.

[PigletWasPoohsFriend]

She's certainly well thought of in the EU

Proof of that?