To not have moved on from the referendum result?

[Niamer]

Hi. I am a remoaner. I have bored myself with talking about it online and with a couple of likeminded friends.
I was have never been political, was pretty disengaged before the referendum but a 100% gut-feeling kind of a remainer and really expected the vote to go our way.

Felt devastated at the result; I am a believer in working closely with our neighbours, have lived in other Eu countries, have friends here from other EU countries who feel unwelcome etc etc. AND all the attachment to Europe stuff aside, it just seemed a far safer economic option to stay put. Why go for a bumpy ride when you don't even like where you're going? Also felt really cheated when people's reasons for leaving became clear.
I am amazed that some Remainers have just gone quiet and got weary of it all. As far as Leave voters, there has been plenty of "suck it up" comments and total quiet from others. It hasn't been long but time is not healing for me. In fact the Tory conference seemed to take the grimness up a notch. Still so upset and wanting to protest (and have done in every way that I can think of)

I am currently in groups with staunch Remainers like myself, so I know how they are feeling. Outside of that, it isn't an easy topic to discuss. Remainers, Leavers, non-voters, please could you tell me where you're at? TIA

All this list stuff is such bollocks. I worked in a Southern European country before that country joined the EU. I had to register with the authorities and fill in forms etc. I lived and worked there very happily for 4 years. I was "on a list" I suppose. That's not fascism though it's just sensible administration and allows a country to manage its infrastructure.

just passports are checked at entrance in the country. You CAN know very precisely how many 'foreigners' are in the country.
Look at all the numbers that we have been given since the start of the campaign. Where do you think they've come from??

It is VERY different than a list with the exact name and address of foreign people.

justgivemeamo I also cannot be bothered to "rehash" all of this either. However, I used to live in a deprived area of the country and saw how much the EU benefited that area.

Ah i thought it was the law in France to own and carry an ID card around on you! my mistake, but it doesnt matter - I would expect any country to know who is within its borders.

Great Mary, but some areas where also made much much worse.

There were a lot of positives from being in the EU but there are also a lot of positives from leaving. Can you not see them at all?

No, and I have tried honestly.

I am a bit of a push over. BOJO cheered me up momentarily on 24 June when he assured us it would all still be wonderful and we could have our cake and eat it ( yes, I am stupidly gullible I know). But when TM talks Brexit, everything about me tells me this is just so wrong. I never was a fan of Brexit but I really hate her Brexit.

Elendon I don't think all of them are unintelligent, no. Some of them probably support him for reasons I would consider stupid or bigoted. Others will vote for him just because he's the Republican candidate - it's very much a polarised two-party system in America, so a certain amount of voters will vote for 'their party' regardless of who the candidate is. Others might agree with some of his saner policies and ideas, and decide on balance that it's worth ignoring the crazier stuff and voting for him.

I don't know. Democracy means that everyone gets a vote, no matter what their reasons, and the result has to be respected - if Trump wins, he wins. I felt the same way about Bush when he was re-elected.

I do think that the idea that Trump voters are all stupid feeds into his narrative and makes him more popular, in the same way that calling Brexit or Corbyn supporters stupid did. They're three very different movements, but all stem from working-class voters feeling unheard and disenfranchised.

"It is the poorest in our communities, those whose choices in life are already by far the most restricted, whose standard of living is most adversely affected by the arrival of a record number of newcomers.

There is a school of belief which quite naturally draws upon compassion to justify the opportunities given to millions of people from the EU to start a new life here. But compassion demands that we consider as a priority the impact that so many new arrivals has on our poorest citizens’ chances of securing the ever scarcer necessities in life — a place at a decent school for their children, a home that they can afford to rent or buy, and swift access to healthcare.

A lethal combination, since 2010, of public-expenditure cuts and unrestricted immigration from the EU has already diminished our poorest citizens’ choices in this regard. Remaining in the EU will, I fear, bring a continued erosion in their living standards"

www.frankfield.com/latest-news/news.aspx?p=1021270

So how long will negotiations take with regard to the UK leaving? I'm guessing at least 10 years. Hard Brexit? I don't think so. Besides the government don't have the civil servants in place to do the negotiations. Huge recruitment now taking place to deal with this.

Yes, it is going to cost a fortune. Lawyers will make a lot of money out of it.

gratesnakes
As you said yourself it was BEFORE THE COUNTRY JOINED THE EU.

One of the basic rule of the EU is the freedom of movement of people (workers for the UK if I understood well). That means peole within the EU are allowed to go and settled in a different country, the same way that Americans would settle in a different state in the US.
The U.K. Is still part of the EU and should still follow its rules. It will have to until it finally leaves (in the next 2 years??).
Until then there is NO NEED to register the whereabouts of EU citizens.
Non EU citizens already have filled 'all the paper works and forms' you are referring to.

Compassion toward the weakest members of our society, therefore, demands that we vote to leave the EU Frank Field

I think YBU. The night of the referendum when smug Chukka Umuna thought he'd won he was all 'will of the people, even if it's one vote, blah, blah, blah. Then once the result was in 1.7m wasn't enough.
I voted leave and jolly happy about it and the way Theresa May is handling it. I'm not a knuckle dragging, Xenphobic, racist or too stupid to know what I was voting for. I know exactly what I voted for.
All the liberal elite with their Polish plumbers, Portuguese baristas and Lithuanian au pairs found free movement was great as their ball cock was fixed cheaper and Tarquin and Tabitha were looked after more cheaply. Outside of Islington in the real world free movement wasn't so great with wages cut and rents rising. You can't compete if you're a plumber with a mortgage against a guy living in one room sending his child benefit back to Poland.
If you want to be angry, try being angry at Gideon and pigfucker Cameron they threatened Armageddon and a punishment budget or Budget as anyone north of Highbury called it. It's been shit up here since 2008. My town has changed beyond recognition and for the first time ever you can say what you think, Emperors New clothes and all that without being shouted down as BNP etc.
As for not guaranteeing right to remain the minute EU says British gave right to remain do will Theresa May, she's not giving bargaining chips away.

Vote leave didn't win your lot lost. Every time Juncker opened his drunk gob that was another 100k voting leave. Christine Lagarde couldn't find her arse with both hands is as corrupt as the last head of IMF she just doesn't rape unsuspecting chambermaids which is why she appears so much better. As for Bank of England chairman or Mr Goldman Sachs he should be ashamed of himself. He said the wheels would fall of the economy then it didn't.
If I hear one more 'in spite of Brexit' good news story on the bbc I may throw something at my tv.

There also is the issue that some don't see what is happening in the wider country.

A poster not sure if on this thread has basically said 'well who are these people that voted leave, when I look at the map London and SE voted remain'

Just But millions of people from the EU have not come to the UK to work!!!!

I'm still devastated, fucking angry and worried about the direction this country seems to be heading. I had quite successfully buried my head in the sand in the last couple of months but now we're actually going for hard Brexit I am back to planning my escape. Even if Scotland doesn't get independence I think I shall head back there. I'm not blind to its faults but I would prefer to raise my son in a more tolerant, less racist and more outward-looking country than England seems to be becoming.

under does it worry you that the core of Labour seems to have voted leave too?

No.

What worries is the rise of far right nationalism, and actually having a government that is further right than ever before in actual power.

Add to that the fact that we appear to be going for a hard brexit means serious shit for the economy. Economy in trouble + far right government + populism/anti-intellectualism = bad shit.

I feel like the OP. Also worried about what it means for the Irish peace agreement.

I voted leave and would do the same tomorrow.

I know there will be difficult times ahead, but I have faith in the strength of this country. The people, the democracy, the economy, the fairness and the decency of the majority of the British public.

I want people from abroad to work in this country for fair wages and fair working conditions. I want services to be well funded to cater for these people. I don't want to be a net contributer to a pot of money we have little say in how is spent.

And if one more person says 'science/deprived areas/research etc won't be funded by the EU following Brexit I will scream! It's our own money!

I'm still a bit upset and disappointed, but compared to recent deaths of loved ones it really isnt that bad, so am just putting it out of my mind and getting on with things. It could be a whole lot worse - imagine if you lived in Aleppo. Living in the UK we are very fortunate is so many ways, regardless of Brexit.

I was Remain. Unlike everyone else I wasn't surprised by result, possibly because Little Englander in laws had been making their totally illogical views clear for months.

I feel worse now than I did at the time of the result, the Tory conference shocked me, especially the shaming companies that employ foreigners bit. The fact that Labour has wilfully imploded and will offer no opposition for the next decade and blame this mess on everyone but their idiot selves makes me want to cry. Grim times.

Staunch Remainer here, I think the referendum has been a disaster. I am ashamed to be British at the moment, small minded, xenophobic hate talk coming from the government and nothing at all from the opposition. Theresa May seems determined to wreck the country's economy, especially the south east, so people like me and dc (son of an immigrant who arrived penniless) who have moved for work, worked hard and bought a nice house (instead of living round the corner from their mum and going home for tea at 5 o'clock every day) will have everything taken off us to make the poor pro- Brexiters feel better about themselves. Of course people like Farage and Boris Johnson will be fine because they are very rich. How is it better for anyone in the UK if the whole country goes down the plughole? Is the government's grand plan that people on benefits, or who soon will be because their car manufacturing employers have relocated to eastern europe, will be made to pick vegetables in the fields and clean offices at night and all the other jobs the lazy British have previously not wanted to do? I think the only reason government is now contemplating a hard Brexit is that they know they'll get nothing from the EU. My medical student dd will be emigrating to Canada or Australia when she qualifies and I don't blame her.

I haven't really moved on. Feeling bad that I, and other people my generation, didn't try and persuade elderly parents to think of their grandchildren.

Frank Field's arguments are misguided in my view. If there are not enough houses, not enough good schools it is for the Government to provide them. They've failed shockingly and blaming EU immigration deflects attention from that. Also, there has generally been more non-EU immigrants than EU-migrants so if immigration control was the solution, it could have been achieved without Brexit.
On a side note, I was a working-class child in a dismal state school who took advantage of working and studying in Europe from age 18 to help me into my chosen (middle-class) profession in which I had no contacts and is fiercely competitive. Now I'm dismissed as one of the sneering liberal elite. Charming.

^as in, if we had all done that, we may not be where we are today.

just

You mentioned in an earlier post that at last brexiters are being listened to

In my opinion the vast majority of the public werent on one "side" or the other until they were forced to be

I think most of us whinged about the EU at some point or another (especially if you read the papers) but most of us didnt know anything really