To not have moved on from the referendum result?

[Niamer]

Hi. I am a remoaner. I have bored myself with talking about it online and with a couple of likeminded friends.
I was have never been political, was pretty disengaged before the referendum but a 100% gut-feeling kind of a remainer and really expected the vote to go our way.

Felt devastated at the result; I am a believer in working closely with our neighbours, have lived in other Eu countries, have friends here from other EU countries who feel unwelcome etc etc. AND all the attachment to Europe stuff aside, it just seemed a far safer economic option to stay put. Why go for a bumpy ride when you don't even like where you're going? Also felt really cheated when people's reasons for leaving became clear.
I am amazed that some Remainers have just gone quiet and got weary of it all. As far as Leave voters, there has been plenty of "suck it up" comments and total quiet from others. It hasn't been long but time is not healing for me. In fact the Tory conference seemed to take the grimness up a notch. Still so upset and wanting to protest (and have done in every way that I can think of)

I am currently in groups with staunch Remainers like myself, so I know how they are feeling. Outside of that, it isn't an easy topic to discuss. Remainers, Leavers, non-voters, please could you tell me where you're at? TIA

Boffered the percentages do not equate to the numbers. It has been highlighted on these threads so many times that I am not going to link again but in terms of numbers the majority of leave voters were in the South East, middle class and older.

Actually there are grammar schools in the north east depending on how you define it. I think you might like to look at Ripon Grammar and local private Preps increasingly being feeders /the growth of the tutoring racket industry if you want to understand the importance locations if the policy. Given the legal requirements on fair admissions (unless you sit in a pew) and cost constraints on introducing decent tests of ability irrespective of background I have no idea how TM thinks a she is going to pretend this is anything but privilege for those with cultural and economics capital

I'm devastated and still not over it. I will have my European citizenship foracbly removed from me - part of my identity. I'm poorer - we haven't seen any of the full effects yet and look at the pound! my children have a worse future. And I live in a country which I don't recognise that's becoming frankly racist. I was racially abused on the street the other day for the first time ever. I'm white British but have dark (Welsh) features so may not look it. It's awful.

Those of us who live nearby are being told that the Crick is the greatest thing ever, not least by Paul Nurse on our tellies

The Frances Crick Institute has just been completed

Are you seriously trumpeting this as a post-Brexit success? The Crick has been in development for the best part of a decade and funding and recruitment of faculty was secured long before the vote. Also ron has pointed out that the director of the Crick, together with other top scientists, has expressed his dismay at the implications of Brexit for science.

www.ft.com/content/ff5000de-703c-11e6-9ac1-1055824ca907

No I'm not, that would be stupid. I am saying that life goes on, there are lots of things happening that aren't going to suddenly stop

niamer yaNbu at all! This is the biggest lie and manipulation of recent history. It's having devastating effects of individuals and families already. The thing is I still believe TM and every member of the current government really believed that Remain would win, and they had planned accordingly. Each player had their own political gain to he made on that result. Now they're trying to make those political gains from the other side, but the last thing on their mind, at least deep down, is the well being if people in this country. They truly don't give a fuck about anybody because they're psychopaths. And we are in their hands, and lots if people are flag waving at the psychopaths rhetoric.

I am saying that life goes on, there are lots of things happening that aren't going to suddenly stop

Did I say you were stupid?

You are however stating the bleeding obvious that life goes on and things that have been in development and with core funding secured over a decade are not going to stop.

Is that our measure of success from now on?

Try this link ron, it's not paywalled and is from the preferred source for actual scientists (saying some of what they actually think):
www.nature.com/news/london-super-lab-opens-under-cloud-of-brexit-1.20530

Greengager - who is telling you that you will have your citizenship forcibly removed?

You know this bumpy road (to nowhere good) we are now all on now? Can any of the leavers indicate how long we're going to be on it for and just how bumpy it's going to get?

I keep telling myself it's all going to be fine, but I'm a worrier and sometimes I wake in the night filled with dread. Please tell me my subconscious is being stupid. I know quite a few other people who have an impending sense of doom, all of us are working poor so we're sure to take a hard hit.

I'd be delighted if they could, Namechanger - but sadly we are going for a hard brexit. Theresa May has realised she has no other choice than to go for hard brexit and make out it's her choice, we won't get to stop freedom of movement and stay in the single market. Jobs will be lost. It doesn't matter whose jobs - it's just jobs - many jobs - factory workers, sole traders, academics, financial companies relying on the city passport.

Did I say you said I was stupid?
How long can this go on?!

We (as in UK citizens) will all have our EU citizenship forcibly removed - unless some of the legal challenges succeed

Hoping against hope that NS manages to pull something out the bag for Scotland

Ron - I take your point about numbers v percentages but I did say in my response that I was looking at percentages. It doesn't change that there was a NE majority to leave.

I believe Ripon is private I don't think we have any state grammers in this region. We certainly don't have any feeders in my LA. The school admissions were shot long before Brexit. I know; I fell victim to unfair admissions several years ago and my purse strings don't stretch to private.

I stand by my leave vote but I was reluctant to post initially. I have seen lots of unfair comments towards leave voters. That said i have the conviction to stand by the way I voted and I have been questioned (clearly) but I haven't been shouted down (yet).

I'm over and out now I just wanted to throw in my two penneth worth as to why I think the result came out as it did.

EU membership.

We will be leaving the union, not the continent. We will still be European.

I know lots of jobs are going to go and that will be devastating for lots of families, but right now I'm slightly more worried about what's happening to the value of the pound. Reality is starting to hit home. Are any of the leavers at all worried about how they're going to pay their bills and life essentials in a year or two?

Most of the leave voters I know are quite well-off and will have a good cushion, but not all.

I voted Remain and would do the same again. I was really very shocked when I found out on 24th June that the UK would be leaving the EU. It felt as if someone had died - and I did go through something akin to a bereavement experience.

But I only have one life - and I have no wish to waste it on brooding over a situation that I am powerless to change. Just as with a bereavement, I have concluded that I need to learn to live with this new situation and accept things for what they now are.

I am definitely not 'over it', but I do feel that it's time to let go and accept that the country that I knew and loved has died and is not coming back.

I will never get over this, I don't give a shit if one day we will economically be just about okay again.

I also feel this. "One day it may be just about ok" - is not ok with me. It's not enough. There has to be a really good reason for so much economic and social upheaval - and no Leaver can tell me what that is - unless they venture into the 'stop immigrants' dialogue - which when probed always descends into nasty racism, such as "I feel like a foreigner in my own town' - really unlikely to be actually true, and "15 Poles in a house" - strangely reminiscent of the old fashioned arguments in the 70's/80's against Indian/Asian families moving here I remember the rhetoric then: "they breed like rabbits" - I remember that being said in the 80's.

I will never get over this, I don't give a shit if one day we will economically be just about okay again.
It was really interesting to read everyone's points of view today. Sadly the above pretty much sums up where I am at.

There has to be some positives out of all this. I have had the biggest political wake up call of my life . "If you snooze you lose". I have found new friendships as I have shared anxieties with fellow remainers and EU citizens here. Those of us who want to be in a tolerant and open society (leavers and remainers) will have to work jolly heard to prove this is not Xenophobeville.
I have learned that we have to keep an eye on our politicians. From now on I will observe and question what is going on and fight for what is right.

Boffered Ripon is a state grammar school. www.ripongrammar.co.uk

Add to that two state grammar schools in Skipton and a little wider, one in Heckmondwyke and two in Halifax. Four further in Lancashire. So if there are none in what you might term the North East there are plenty of examples of how how they are instruments of social privilege in the north.

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Nissan will go if we leave the single market, it make take a bit of time - but they will go.

I have been lurking on and off but prompted by Davros basically: if scientists and heads this country's science institutions can't impress you, we the Remainers wont either. So kindly get a life.
In the mean time, me and my family are planning a future you have just managed to destroy for us.

But we have long since stopped listening to experts and listen to our hearts only anyway.
www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/07/lse-brexit-non-uk-experts-foreign-academics#pt0-828281

I am a Remainer and proud to be so. There has been an increasing amount of xenophobia in this country, compounded by the rhetoric coming out of the Tory party conference in the last few days, unleashed by the Brexit vote, and I feel that, if we are not careful, and we appear not to be, we will slide towards fascism. I don't want my grandchildren or great grandchildren to be asking why I didn't speak out, or why I went along with it. I do want to be able to say that I stood up to be counted, and did what I could to stop it.