To not have moved on from the referendum result?

[Niamer]

Hi. I am a remoaner. I have bored myself with talking about it online and with a couple of likeminded friends.
I was have never been political, was pretty disengaged before the referendum but a 100% gut-feeling kind of a remainer and really expected the vote to go our way.

Felt devastated at the result; I am a believer in working closely with our neighbours, have lived in other Eu countries, have friends here from other EU countries who feel unwelcome etc etc. AND all the attachment to Europe stuff aside, it just seemed a far safer economic option to stay put. Why go for a bumpy ride when you don't even like where you're going? Also felt really cheated when people's reasons for leaving became clear.
I am amazed that some Remainers have just gone quiet and got weary of it all. As far as Leave voters, there has been plenty of "suck it up" comments and total quiet from others. It hasn't been long but time is not healing for me. In fact the Tory conference seemed to take the grimness up a notch. Still so upset and wanting to protest (and have done in every way that I can think of)

I am currently in groups with staunch Remainers like myself, so I know how they are feeling. Outside of that, it isn't an easy topic to discuss. Remainers, Leavers, non-voters, please could you tell me where you're at? TIA

Boffered I completely understand your points and their validity but the fact remains that it was not the northerners voting out of a feeling of disenfranchisement / feeling left behind that delivered the leave vote. The majority of leave voters were actually in the south, older Tory voters sat in comfortable armchairs in Home Counties sitting rooms who have neither any experience of immigration or of any ill effects of globalisation (in fact it has bolstered their pensions and delivered prosperity to communities in the sphere of London's influence). That is Theresa Mays mandate for this return to a 50s Britain of xenophobia and divisive grammar schools (and the remaining northern state grammar schools are no less evidence of middle class privilege than they are in the south, in fact more so because the tutoring industry in the south has been embraced even more by ethnic minorities than by the middle classes) not to mention evoking Henry VIIIs instruments of executive rule to overrule parliamentary process. How do you feel about these developments? Whatever the rhetoric the actions offer no hope to the north, especially compared with what will be lost with the loss of the EUs commitment to regional development......

And OP I too still feel sick to the stomach because quite apart from all the farcical, if they were not so worrying, political developments this has undermined my sense of identity as a British person in the world. I have just spent some time travelling outside Europe and Brexit and Trump are the two great puzzles, it is assumed we are as mad or entitled or both as Trump.....

This is no longer my country and I cannot feel any allegiance to a country where intolerance stoked by a corrupt press and a right wing government are undermining my hopes for a fairer society and shared prosperity.

This is no longer my country and I cannot feel any allegiance to a country where intolerance stoked by a corrupt press and a right wing government are undermining my hopes for a fairer society and shared prosperity.

Careful ron that's traitorous talk according to some posters... Unless you possess some foreign heritage, in which case it is not just ok but to be expected.

We can see the pile of shit in front of us, nearly everyone can smell it now, but we've decided we're definitely going to dive right in and hope we come out smelling of roses. It's the most stupid thing I've seen in my life.

Can the leavers please explain to me how is Britain going to be better after we leave?

I voted remain and I was and still am heartbroken.
I will never get over this, I don't give a shit if one day we will economically be just about okay again. The damage this will do will send ripples well into the next century in terms of our relationship with our closest neighbours and allies.
Britain has become a place I don't recognise and I'm ashamed of my fellow countrymen.

Get the fuck out then patapouf

Nice

And people say it's Remain that are the rude ones.

Get the fuck out then patapouf.

This surely can't be right, I'm reliably informed that it's Remainers who dismiss, name-call, sneer and bully the Leavers.

So glad everyone knows who voted what.

Do people walk around with I voted remain and I voted leave badges without telling me

Unless they tell you you have no idea how people have voted and even if they tell you, you don't know it's the truth.

Not sure what your point is piglet

Are you saying queenliz might have been a Remain voter?

Really?

especially compared with what will be lost with the loss of the EUs commitment to regional development....

I have seen a lot of arguments about the loss of "EU funding" - there is no such thing. The money any part of the UK receives from the EU is money we paid in, not magic money from the good of the hearts of the rest of the EU nations. Of course, a future government may or may not see regional development as a priority - but leaving the EU will not automatically preclude such assistance.

Unless they tell you you have no idea how people have voted and even if they tell you, you don't know it's the truth.

Are you suggesting that the above is a false flag operation ? My god, is there no limit to the depths those ghastly Remainers won't sink to?

Nice

I am ashamed too. Our populist prime minister spouting the crap that she thinks people want to hear just to get votes back from Ukip. Seeing the phrase "third world subhuman filth" being used with no thought or care or knowledge about what kind of implication words like "subhuman" have (Guardian FB page not long ago).

And then when you express concern and sadness about it, someone writing "get the fuck out then". I think that's pretty bloody shameful.

Get the fuck out then patapouf
You're a charmer aren't you Liz.

Thanks for starting this thread OP. It has been a refreshingly restrained exchange of view points which gives me some hope. Obviously it's gone a bit pear shaped in places.

Britain has become a place I don't recognise and I'm ashamed of my fellow countrymen.

I agree, but not for the same reasons. I thought Britain was a place where the right to a vote and an opinion could be respected and people agreed to abide by the results of democratic votes (with the the fiercely protected right to protest and campaign for changes).

Instead it has illustrated how divided we are, and how little appetite there is for conciliation. I always knew we were (in contrast with much of the rest of Europe) a very adversarial society - our legal system in particular is illustrative of that.

Queen That sort of comment is not helping anyone.

Can the leavers please explain to me how is Britain going to be better after we leave?

There have been a few attempts to offer an opinion about this in the thread if you read back.

Elements I would worry about my DCs foreign heritage, stoked by memories of a grandfather who was very much one of those lucky enough to have "never had it so good" in the 60s, feeling free to rail against the bloody Irish even with my lovely gentle Irish grandmother in the room, far too polite to give him the both barrels. However they don't plan their lives in this country even if there are any opportunities (and since one is a Scientist it is already apparent that her opportunities here are drying up. Several of the Nobel prize winners announced in recent days have talked of how disastrous this is for British Scientists and means the brightest and the best will not just head but now stay overseas)

There have been a few attempts to offer an opinion about this in the thread if you read back

Where?

I haven't seen anything that actually gives us hope, I've just seen a few Brexit buzzwords with nothing to back them up.

Does any one wonder how the rest of the world, for example, the US, Canada, Australia, NZ, Singapore, cope without being in the EU? Are these countries lacking in democracy? Are they incapable of making rational decisions? Do they manage their own affairs effectively in the world and at home? If they manage it, why can't we? Do we really need Eurocrats (they do exist) to make our decisions for us? Do we really think that a decision taken that will suit rural Latvia will also suit rural Cornwall, because that is in effect what we have. There is no 'give' in the ever closer union or the ratchet of acquis communautaire. That is what people don't understand, or choose to ignore.

Are you suggesting that the above is a false flag operation hmm? My god, is there no limit to the depths those ghastly Remainers won't sink to?

No I was referring to the stereotyping of remain and leave voters.

I was a remain voter. In fact I was a campaigner, knocked on doors etc how many of you can say that

However don't let that stop you continuing to get the digs in.

Several of the Nobel prize winners announced in recent days have talked of how disastrous this is for British Scientists

Pah, experts - what do they know?

But seriously as an ethnic minority immigrant I am feeling really distressed and vulnerable in light of the recent developments, none of which were needed to deliver the all-important Brexit - I keep wondering Why and the obvious answers are not pretty ones. Leave posters talk about feeling victimised because of the way they voted - I wish some would consider how much more people feel when they wear their "wrongness" on their face.

scary that would be convincing if it wasn't for the fact the the Tories have proven again and again that they don't give a single fuck about places like Cornwall.

I haven't seen anything that actually gives us hope, I've just seen a few Brexit buzzwords with nothing to back them up.

Ok, suit yourself.