To not have moved on from the referendum result?

[Niamer]

Hi. I am a remoaner. I have bored myself with talking about it online and with a couple of likeminded friends.
I was have never been political, was pretty disengaged before the referendum but a 100% gut-feeling kind of a remainer and really expected the vote to go our way.

Felt devastated at the result; I am a believer in working closely with our neighbours, have lived in other Eu countries, have friends here from other EU countries who feel unwelcome etc etc. AND all the attachment to Europe stuff aside, it just seemed a far safer economic option to stay put. Why go for a bumpy ride when you don't even like where you're going? Also felt really cheated when people's reasons for leaving became clear.
I am amazed that some Remainers have just gone quiet and got weary of it all. As far as Leave voters, there has been plenty of "suck it up" comments and total quiet from others. It hasn't been long but time is not healing for me. In fact the Tory conference seemed to take the grimness up a notch. Still so upset and wanting to protest (and have done in every way that I can think of)

I am currently in groups with staunch Remainers like myself, so I know how they are feeling. Outside of that, it isn't an easy topic to discuss. Remainers, Leavers, non-voters, please could you tell me where you're at? TIA

lionking none of that will change outside the EU.

We live in a global economy. Businesses can move abroad and import from abroad. Jobs just follow the money.

Government can choose not to invest in infrastructure with or without immigrants.

I am not rich, I voted remain and I am devastated as a country we voted to leave.

I am not over it, I will not get over it, and I will complain about it/protest against it every opportunity I get. I am ashamed to be British

The UK has gone insane.

I've never really felt represented by our governments but felt 'safe' with the safety net of the wider EU.

Watching the Tory Conference this week has filled me with horror.

Populism has one fuck of a lot to answer for. God help us if Trump is elected POTUS.

No more sitting like ducks while wealthy CEO s build their millions, no more rolling over whilst multinationals chuck a few thousands in tax at us , were freeeeeeeeeeee

Because....?

Lionking's post sums up the confusion and conflation between what ills the EU is responsible for and what lies at the door of successive British governments.

British governments screw up, the EU (largely) gets the blame, and we all find ourselves overboard in a lifeboat that nobody knows how to steer.

You live in a democracy, and should accept the voice of the people. Maybe remainers should live in a dictatorship instead?

I don't disagree with you Piglet that there are stereotypes and unfortunate (shall we say) behaviour abounding. I absolutely disagree though that the Leavers are entirely the poor oppressed victims as you seem keen to constantly highlight with your concerns about "shutting down" or "name calling".

I found it hilariously ironic that a poster showed up to inform us that they had voted to Leave but dared not post because they were being shut down. On an internet forum.

We could do a little experiment in which you attempt to shut me down and silence me on this thread. What would that look like? I strongly suspect it might contain phrases like "Get over it, get a fucking grip, your lot lost, you hate Democracy." You could try posting hundreds of times to silence me. And yet I could carry on posting and presenting my views as much as I liked until the thread fills up.

So bollocks is anyone seriously being bullied or oppressed or silenced. In fact, it is actually an attempt to do just that.

I am living my life thanks user - just costs a lot more than it did a few months ago.
If I were a Leave voter with comprehensive reasons for voting Leave and reasons that showed how that benefitted me personally I would be all over these boards shouting about it. Not because I felt I owed anyone an explanation but because it would be worth braving the "bullying" and "sneering" to make sure alternative Leave views to the inane generic drivel (see the "tabitha" post upthread as well as "users" pitiful post for 2 examples) were being heard. I would also be denoucing the increase in racism and xeonophobia. There are a few Leave posters who do try to do this and it must be hard when certain Leavers who havent retreated to their safe havens off these boards demonstrate their ignorance and prejudice over and over again.

The latest idea to make employers report how many "foreign" employees they have is an excellent example. Its the first stage to descriminating against all immigrants.

i said this on another thread and I will say it again.

I visited Slovenia last year. EU nation, adopted Euro, Schengen Area, etc.

Imagine my surprise when I arrived there and had to register myself with the police within 3 days of arrival or face a heavy fine. Every foreigner even those from the EU on a short holiday must register with the police and carry their passports.

This is acceptable? Imagine if the UK did this to visitors.

Just get over yourselves. We didn't just vote in the Nazi party.

we all find ourselves overboard in a lifeboat that nobody knows how to steer.

Why do you believe that, that nobody knows how to steer. Has the EU infantilised you that much!?
Do you really believe that nobody can function outside the EU, despite the fact that about 85% of the world is not an EU country?

So bollocks is anyone seriously being bullied or oppressed or silenced. In fact, it is actually an attempt to do just that.

Well we have to agree to disagree.

You live in a democracy, and should accept the voice of the people. Maybe remainers should live in a dictatorship instead?

The voice of the people is that 48% want to stay in the EU.

A dictatorship is a country where there is no opposition.

Well we have to agree to disagree.

Yes, let's.

"You live in a democracy, and should accept the voice of the people. Maybe remainers should live in a dictatorship instead?"

"Just get over yourselves."

At a dinner party on Saturday with 10 friends. A mix of people, 1 farmer, 5 of us self employed, a TA, and 2 SAHM, and my dh who is also SE but works in London out sourcing.

Everyone around the table,barring dh, voted leave.

The reasons stated by the SE builder was the influx of cheap labour from Eastern Europe causing huge resentment In the area as they work longer hours for cash and so sites have laid off British workers in their droves.

The rest of the leavers voted purely and simply because they wanted Britain to govern themselves as a sovereign independent state and trade globally as such. Precisely what my parents and many more voted for in the 70s.

I think to use the word 'devestated' is clearly OTT unkess like lekk you are immediately and directly affected. None is yet though as we haven't left.

Waiting to see it could be a monumental mistake or the best thing Britain has ever done.

My guess is a roller coaster few years and then settlement and this will just be another one for GCSE history.

I am not over it, I will not get over it, and I will complain about it/protest against it every opportunity I get. I am ashamed to be British

Strifae64 But you were not ashamed to be a part of the EU.

two thirds of the Slovenian people voted to overturn a law legalising gay marriage. TWO THIRDS!

Poland has a bloody scary government that is voting to ban abortion completely.

Far right wing parties are gaining popularity all over Europe. In Austria, The Freedom Party of Austria got more than a third of the vote and it is headed up by Norbert Hofer, who attends party gatherings wearing a blue cornflower on his lapel. this flower which is an old clandestine Nazi symbol.

I could go on but people are ashamed to be British and away from this shining beacon of tolerance that is Europe. Right.

Friends of mine live in Warsaw; when they moved from the central area to a housing development with a less international mix of tenants, the police arrived to ascertain who they were and why they were there, and passports were required.
Five years ago when I lived in Spain I was required to apply for residents permit as I had a child in school and the authorities required to know who was living in the area.

I think the lists of foreign workers is being misunderstood - isn't the proposal that it is necessary to give reasons why, only when an employer takes on a NEW employee who is not UK resident?

I believe it because of the evidence of my own eyes, purits. I'm still waiting to see the well-thought-out strategy document that outlines what Brexit will look like in 2, 5, 10 and 20+ years. I'm still waiting for some certainty and for some proof that some of the key issues had at least been considered beforehand and various contingencies drawn up. Key phrase there: I'm still waiting.

And user whatever your number is, you really don't understand the meaning of democracy. It must puzzle you every five years why we have another general election. After all, the voice of the people spoke in the very first one and we should all have kept our traps shut since.

Why do you believe that, that nobody knows how to steer.

The complete lack of a plan really.

There is no agreement on why we left the EU, or what we will do next.

48% is the wrong figure. We only know that 48.1% of those who exercised their right to vote, voted to remain as a EU member.

The UK is a true disgrace at the moment.
Jointly (with US) responsible for Iraq, which played a big part in bringing about the never-ending disasters in the middle east / north africa.
Not happy with having done that, having another go in Libya.
And now weakening the EU as a whole with the utterly disgraceful Brexit shambles, as well as screwing the majority of our own people.
If it was real democracy - people voting against us for their own good reasons - then we would put up and shut up. But it was just a bunch of extreme right-wingers / a minority with a financial interest conning the less bright segment of the population. Why should we shut up about that?

Lionking's post sums up the confusion and conflation between what ills the EU is responsible for and what lies at the door of successive British governments.

Exactly. People blame the EU for the faults of successive Con and Lab governments.

I think what that poster meant elements isn't that they could actually be 'shouted down' as in stopped from replying but that there is no point. It doesn't matter what any of us say, whatever justification we give for voting leave remainers tend to be dismissive coming back to 'little englander' etc. If you have benefitted from EU and some have you can have no idea what it's like to live in the rest of the country where wages are being held down, schools can't cope and there are more temporary classrooms than real ones, where you've gone from getting a Drs appt today and now it's a 2 wk wait. Where wages have fallen but rents and house prices have risen as scores of new houses are bought to let rather.
It gets to the point where you don't bother. I've only ever had one post removed by HQ and that was a Brexit thread. I don't normally even read them as I can do without the aggro. In fairness, this is probably the least antagonistic thread I've read although I have tended to ignore them all together since the end of June. better for my blood pressure

isn't the proposal that it is necessary to give reasons why, only when an employer takes on a NEW employee who is not UK resident?

No, the proposal is that companies should publish how many foreign workers they have - an annual return or report.

You live in a democracy, and should accept the voice of the people.

I really hate to break it to you but being in a democracy means the people who voted Remain can complain and argue about this until 3016 and beyond if they so wish.