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This is completely horrible

281 replies

whoisshe124 · 05/10/2016 23:51

NC'd obvs.

DDad died around 7 years ago. Strong character. Much missed. Died far too young (67). This is relevant.... He was self-made (think a lesser Alan Sugar, i.e. came from nothing, set up his own business, made it a success. Not gazillions, but business still strong and still going)

My mum has some wealth (because of dad's business. She's worked - she's been really successful - but not at the same level dad achieved.

I have young parents. Mum was around 65 when he died. They'd been together since she was 13. Very, very sad.

My DM is a bit amazing. (I would say that.... I love her to pieces!). She's a counsellor.

My mum befriends people. People love her. She's a friend (unofficial carer) to about a million people. There's someone she knows who is a social outcast to people who know him/his history. He's been through the courts twice, and has been shunned by people who know about it because of it. I'm not going to say what it was because it's outing, but it's sexual crimes against the vulnerable. My mum is his friend. After dad died, he's lived with her when he had no where else to go (for about a year and a half). She sees through the crimes that other people can't to the person beneath, and they get on really well and enjoy each other's company. He is a year older than me. and I fucking hate him. pervy, creepy fuck that he is, but not going to say this cos it derails my own thread and is outing to him. Not that he deserves any privacy!

Earlier this year their relationship moved on a level, and they're now a couple, although they keep this very quiet. I nearly started threads about it on here, because it is doing my head in, but I kind-of knew that MN would tell me it was none of my business, so I didn't. And my mum's older, but not old/old, and has the right to enjoy the rest of her life. it is very hard when she gets 'giddy' and excited though. BUT none of my business. I do get it's none of my business

I was talking to mum today about money, because we are skint. DH has recently taken early retirement, and I work almost full-time, and in a massively satisfying job, but one which doesn't pay well. We have (finally) achieved good work/life balance, but it's not enough to pay the bills, and we're worried about it. We are NOT on the breadline.... I work with people in poverty, and that's not us. We can't afford treats and holidays (boo-hoo us! I do appreciate people are in far worse situations). But DD's birthday is in November and Christmas is coming, and I honestly don't know how we're going to get through them (we will, but it will be hard. Not foodbank hard, but hard).

So far, so first world. I do get I'm being first-world!

I was talking to mum today, and I was telling her about this. My mum is wealthy (because of dad's business). So firstly, mum was offering to give me some of my inheritance early, and inherit less as a way to solve our immediate issues. I really don't want this (a) it breaks my heart to think of my mum dying and (b) at my age and stage, I think we should be dealing with this ourselves and finding our own solutions.

But, while we were talking about money, she had something to suggest to me. She said it came from the best place and out of kindness, but that she knew I wouldn't see it that way, but was going to tell me in any case.

When she dies (urrrrgh, urrrrgh, urrrgh. This breaks me!) me and my sister (who are NC) will inherit both a reasonable amount of money and property. And the business (which also comes with both). Her delightful BF has suggested that me and my (NC) sister will pay less inheritance tax if she gives some money to him which he has told her he will give to us.

I don't want to sound grabby. And I told mum it was her money, and she was welcome to give it all to the local cat's home if that was what she wanted.
But isn't this fucking cunt prick fleecing her? He's TOLD her he'll give it to us. But he's under no obligation to.

If he didn't, or if he put conditions on it, we'd have no chance to report him, because it's a tax dodge (and so illegal). It also means he'd stay in our lives, which I couldn't countenance (I fucking hate him,and would want nothing to do with him if mum wasn't around. I feel this is a way for him to stay in our lives)

This is very horrible and base. I'm ashamed about it, because I feel it's reducing my mum to what I'd potentially inherit from her, which is horrendous for me. I don't want to live in a world without her in it. With or without money.

But if this creep stays around, I promise I want nothing to do with him after mum dies. I don't want him to have a hold over me, potentially dishing out the occasional tenner if I'm nice to him.

How can I tell my mother I think he's a chancer who's fleecing her, when she's happy? And there's SO much back-story I'm not mentioning about my sister, who's made mum's life a misery.

This is just horrible!

OP posts:
Patsy99 · 08/10/2016 10:38

Think Jedi's advice is good actually.

One (of many) alarm bells here is that your DM made a CONSCIOUS decision to befriend this man after his first court case for child sex abuse.

And then there was another. She can't protect the dgc from him.

ImperialBlether · 08/10/2016 10:50

I've just re-read the OP and have seen that this guy is only a year older than you, OP.

That is such a weird relationship in every single way - can she really not see that?

0dfod · 08/10/2016 10:57

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randomer · 08/10/2016 11:16

I once got on very well with a therapist but I was told loud and clear there was no possibility of being friends. Boundaries, the therapeutic relationship and all that.

I finiched the therapy and we talked through this and aknowledged the work we had covered and some sadness about no frindship.

All therapists are bound by a code of ethics an need to be registered with the BACP.

stonecircle · 08/10/2016 11:50

led in with the best way as far as I knew was for her to make a gift (and then live for 7 years). Her reaction was "great.... So I can make a gift to Creepy and then he can give it to you!!!!" So I had to then say "well, if you want to make a gift to Creepy, of course you can, but actually - for me - he'd be the worst person in the world, but anyway, I'd hate this whoever it was

Does she understand that IHT is paid from the estate someone leaves behind, not the beneficiaries and it doesn't matter how much you split it up? I don't get why you didn't say to your mum, 'so what would be the POINT in giving anything to creepy for him to give to me? Why does he need to be involved?' Instead of reinforcing the idea that she could make a gift to him?
What is she trying to achieve by including him?

I also really don't get the reasoning behind an active woman of around 70 going into a care home. That sounds bizarre. How would she maintain a sexual relationship with creepy? Do you think she is starting to suffer from dementia, or has she always been so self-absorbed and strange?

It would be good if she gave you and your sister power of attorney but in the current circumstances I'd be very reluctant to mention it as she'd probably decide to give it to Creepy.

Memoires · 08/10/2016 13:13

I think I do see where you're coming from - I was brought up to think similarly, though no circumstances like yours.

If your mum were to go into an old people's home then where would he go? He's much younger than her, so probably not there with her (which would be what you want), and presumably he could use his own wealth - which your mum says he has - to house himself?

Those homes aren't full of crusty senile old women who sit around groaning, wetting themselves to endless reruns of soaps on the communal telly, where the smell of wee hits you in the face the minute you open the door. If she goes to a retirement estate, for instance, there'll ge a caretaker, and some have lots of communal activities - good one, that you'd actually like to do - and the people are generally free to do whatever they want, are free to come and go, but don't have to worry about slipping and not being found for weeks.

It might be worth encouraging her.

FinderofNeedles · 08/10/2016 13:15

I agree with those who say this man is already too close to your DDs. It's grooming, effectively, and unfortunately despite your best intentions, you are enabling that.
You can't control keeping them separate for much longer. My mind is running away with possible scenarios: you agree your mum will pick them up from somewhere, and he goes instead.
They will shortly be in places without you - friends's parties, that sort of thing. He 'happens to be passing' the friends' house and picks them up in his car ... . And they know him, and trust him - he's their gran's friend/partner etc after all - who knows what the consequences would be.

You need to decide which issue to focus on - protecting your DDs or getting the money? Doubt you can do both.

Aeroflotgirl · 08/10/2016 13:21

I would take my inheritance now and use it to help you, invest it, because that guy will not be giving it to you. He sounds utterly vile, and has a relationship with her, because of the money.

0dfod · 08/10/2016 13:27

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ChequeOff · 08/10/2016 13:30

I totally agree with the poster who commented that OP's mother sounds like a sexual deviant to actually enjoy having the same dick that raped children inside her.

I'm sorry but only someone disturbed could ever enjoy having sex with a paedophile.

Beebeeeight · 08/10/2016 13:33

She should see a tax lawyer and probably set up trust funds for her family.

deathandtaxes123 · 08/10/2016 13:37

I'm a tax specialist.

Take the money and hope she lives for 7 years. Have a look at reliefs for inheritance tax and nil rate band etc.

This man sounds absolutely VILE btw.

witsender · 08/10/2016 13:40

Tbh, I wouldn't be able to move past this. Money or not, I would have no contact with them. I could not get on board with the moral code that allows her to shag him, and he would be nowhere near my kids, supervised or not.

Sort your own financial situation out without her. If dh has taken early retirement that doesn't stop him getting a job does it?

ChequeOff · 08/10/2016 13:41

The op's mother hasn't actually offered her any money. She has only discussed the idea of giving her money, and through "creepy" at that.

She is toying with OP and using money to keep her on the hook.

Because if she was really being genuine and supportive, she'd be giving OP money to tide her over a tight period.

Instead it's all hypotheticals and shit stirring.

witsender · 08/10/2016 13:47

Agreed. I meant I would walk away from.future money if that is what it takes to stand up against this shit. Mother sounds emotionally weak/dim to not realise the impropriety of what she is doing, and to not recognise that Op needs help.

But if DH is around to help with kids then you will need to look for other work sadly Op. We all have to do what it takes to support ourselves, and I wouldn't want to rely on your mother for anything.

Aeroflotgirl · 08/10/2016 13:54

Just read further posts. Your DM sounds dangerous, I would not trust dgc round her at all. I would personally go NC with a person that supports a oaediphile, that is not someone I want a relationship with! Instead look for other income. Don't rely on her.

JellyBelli · 08/10/2016 13:57

OP, I'm not supportive of you or your DM,. You have an ability to hear what you want to hear.
Your DM is not amazing.

Your DM is abusive by proxy.

Aeroflotgirl · 08/10/2016 14:02

I have reported this thread!

ChequeOff · 08/10/2016 14:08

It would be interesting to know why OP's sister is NC with their mother.

Personally I couldn't get past my mother's boyfriend being a paedophile.
Absolutely no way would I put my children in contact with a convicted paedophile.

The fact that OP is ok with it sadly suggests some kind of brainwashing from her mother.

deathandtaxes123 · 08/10/2016 14:13

Holy fuck I just fully read the posts as I could t understand why aeroflot reported.

OP, you are allowing your children to be around a sex offender??

And you think your mum is amazing because she's shagging a sex offender and over look his"flaws"?

I've heard it all.

Reported.

witsender · 08/10/2016 14:13

I can just about 'see' a friendship, looking last his sexual deviancy to do the crossword for example. But to make a move on him, and embark on a sexual relationship with someone who gets their sexual kicks from abusing children says all sorts of things about her, and none of them good. I am far from hysterical about peadophiles etc, but this is nuts.

BummyMummy77 · 08/10/2016 14:14

Why have you reported it?!!

Namechanger2015 · 08/10/2016 14:14

They are never left alone with him but do they know they are never supposed to be alone with him?

At the moment they are becoming familiar with a paedophile who will actively try to get them on their own at some point in the future. You are enabling this by allowing them to build trust with him.

Please reconsider letting him ever, ever, ever see your children again.

Many paedophiles are 'trusted' adults already known to the family. Mine was an unpleasant uncle who I knew for years and asked me to play in his room when I was 8.

Goingtobeawesome · 08/10/2016 14:14

While you might say your children are protected and he's never alone with them, I.e. He can't touch them abusively, they very well might question if something did happen and they've blocked it out, etc.

All sounds horrible and not because you might not get any money.

ChequeOff · 08/10/2016 14:17

Finally people are picking up on the fact that he's a paedophile with access to children. I was beginning to think I was going mad.