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This is completely horrible

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whoisshe124 · 05/10/2016 23:51

NC'd obvs.

DDad died around 7 years ago. Strong character. Much missed. Died far too young (67). This is relevant.... He was self-made (think a lesser Alan Sugar, i.e. came from nothing, set up his own business, made it a success. Not gazillions, but business still strong and still going)

My mum has some wealth (because of dad's business. She's worked - she's been really successful - but not at the same level dad achieved.

I have young parents. Mum was around 65 when he died. They'd been together since she was 13. Very, very sad.

My DM is a bit amazing. (I would say that.... I love her to pieces!). She's a counsellor.

My mum befriends people. People love her. She's a friend (unofficial carer) to about a million people. There's someone she knows who is a social outcast to people who know him/his history. He's been through the courts twice, and has been shunned by people who know about it because of it. I'm not going to say what it was because it's outing, but it's sexual crimes against the vulnerable. My mum is his friend. After dad died, he's lived with her when he had no where else to go (for about a year and a half). She sees through the crimes that other people can't to the person beneath, and they get on really well and enjoy each other's company. He is a year older than me. and I fucking hate him. pervy, creepy fuck that he is, but not going to say this cos it derails my own thread and is outing to him. Not that he deserves any privacy!

Earlier this year their relationship moved on a level, and they're now a couple, although they keep this very quiet. I nearly started threads about it on here, because it is doing my head in, but I kind-of knew that MN would tell me it was none of my business, so I didn't. And my mum's older, but not old/old, and has the right to enjoy the rest of her life. it is very hard when she gets 'giddy' and excited though. BUT none of my business. I do get it's none of my business

I was talking to mum today about money, because we are skint. DH has recently taken early retirement, and I work almost full-time, and in a massively satisfying job, but one which doesn't pay well. We have (finally) achieved good work/life balance, but it's not enough to pay the bills, and we're worried about it. We are NOT on the breadline.... I work with people in poverty, and that's not us. We can't afford treats and holidays (boo-hoo us! I do appreciate people are in far worse situations). But DD's birthday is in November and Christmas is coming, and I honestly don't know how we're going to get through them (we will, but it will be hard. Not foodbank hard, but hard).

So far, so first world. I do get I'm being first-world!

I was talking to mum today, and I was telling her about this. My mum is wealthy (because of dad's business). So firstly, mum was offering to give me some of my inheritance early, and inherit less as a way to solve our immediate issues. I really don't want this (a) it breaks my heart to think of my mum dying and (b) at my age and stage, I think we should be dealing with this ourselves and finding our own solutions.

But, while we were talking about money, she had something to suggest to me. She said it came from the best place and out of kindness, but that she knew I wouldn't see it that way, but was going to tell me in any case.

When she dies (urrrrgh, urrrrgh, urrrgh. This breaks me!) me and my sister (who are NC) will inherit both a reasonable amount of money and property. And the business (which also comes with both). Her delightful BF has suggested that me and my (NC) sister will pay less inheritance tax if she gives some money to him which he has told her he will give to us.

I don't want to sound grabby. And I told mum it was her money, and she was welcome to give it all to the local cat's home if that was what she wanted.
But isn't this fucking cunt prick fleecing her? He's TOLD her he'll give it to us. But he's under no obligation to.

If he didn't, or if he put conditions on it, we'd have no chance to report him, because it's a tax dodge (and so illegal). It also means he'd stay in our lives, which I couldn't countenance (I fucking hate him,and would want nothing to do with him if mum wasn't around. I feel this is a way for him to stay in our lives)

This is very horrible and base. I'm ashamed about it, because I feel it's reducing my mum to what I'd potentially inherit from her, which is horrendous for me. I don't want to live in a world without her in it. With or without money.

But if this creep stays around, I promise I want nothing to do with him after mum dies. I don't want him to have a hold over me, potentially dishing out the occasional tenner if I'm nice to him.

How can I tell my mother I think he's a chancer who's fleecing her, when she's happy? And there's SO much back-story I'm not mentioning about my sister, who's made mum's life a misery.

This is just horrible!

OP posts:
ChequeOff · 11/10/2016 19:20

Yy. That is indeed what is so horrifying about the whole post. and the focus on the fucking money!!
WTAF

HexBramble · 11/10/2016 20:26

OP, I hate to point this out, but if your Mum is a trained and registered counsellor, she is seriously compromising herself on a professional level.

On a personal level, I'm actually staggered that you cannot have an honest face to face discussion about this. The money pales into insignificance.

Kleinzeit · 11/10/2016 21:24

Your mother's history sounds pretty bizarre. She has had convicted sex offenders and others as friends all my life. so Mr Creepy isn't a one-off mistake but part of a series of inappropriate friendships. I am surprised no-one called her on it when she was a counsellor. And how much contact did she allow these very dangerous people to have with you and your DSis while you were growing up? Even if the answer is "no contact at all" this aspect of your childhood has badly messed with your own sense of what's normal and what is unsafe.

She sees through the crimes that other people can't to the person beneath but "the person beneath" the crimes is not separate from the person who committed the crimes. They are one and the same person and your mother has been inviting both parts of these people into her home and bringing both of them into contact with her children and grandchildren. And you've let her.

My DM is a bit amazing. Very amazing and very dysfunctional.

Creepy's been around since DGC were tots.

Going back to when they were just friends and Creepy was living with mum, he'd always stay elsewhere whenever one or more of the DGC stayed

Your children stayed overnight in a house that you knew was home to a convicted sex criminal. That's messed up. Your children knew him and liked him. Let's just hope he wasn't making return visits that you weren't told about. I do wonder - if he was homeless and friendless then where else would he have gone? Your "amazing" mother might be capable of telling a few little fibs about that. After all, she knew your DDs were safe because Mr Creepy was only interested in boys, so what harm would it do?

She's a bit away with the fairies as far as Creepy's concerned.

She's a bit away with the fairies as far as a convicted sex offender is concerned and you trusted her to keep your chidren safe. What were you thinking? You acknowledge that her attitude to him is not rational but you don't seem to see that her irrational thinking might not only have been about money.

I nearly started threads about it on here, because it is doing my head in, but I kind-of knew that MN would tell me it was none of my business, so I didn't.

Why would you think that? There have been threads on Relationships from women whose adult family are involved with abusers, and no-one says to mind their own business. You need to keep your children and your children's friends and your friends' children safe from a known predator who associates with your family so it's very much your business. And if you care about your mother then that makes it your business too, even though you may not be able to protect her much from her own poor decisions. This sounds like a pretty toxic situation and if you need more support in future, maybe head over to Relationships.

BestZebbie · 11/10/2016 21:32

Wrt the money, your Mum needs to set up a Trust for you and your sister. Then she can still use the money herself, and you two can, and it will pass on to you naturally (because you kind of already have it), but it cannot be drawn on by her partner - although she could eg: withdrawn assets to buy herself a house which they then both live in, it wouldn't belong to him to sell on himself later and keep the money.

fuzzyduck1 · 11/10/2016 23:34

The easy way around the tax thing is for your mum to gift you money. And I'm sure she'd be a lot happier knowing and seeing you enjoy the money when she's alive than waiting until she's dead. My own mum gave all her kids money and took great pleasure in the knowledge that she was helping us all out and seeing us happy.

Be wary of this man because if they marry it might null and void her wishes for you and your sister to get her estate

Memoires · 11/10/2016 23:45

whoisshe, i think you might benefit from the Freedom programme; i'm afraid you need to reset your radar and boundaries, make them much stronger.

What does your dh think about the situation with your mum, your mum's sex offender boyfriend, the money, your children's place in all of this.

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