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This is completely horrible

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whoisshe124 · 05/10/2016 23:51

NC'd obvs.

DDad died around 7 years ago. Strong character. Much missed. Died far too young (67). This is relevant.... He was self-made (think a lesser Alan Sugar, i.e. came from nothing, set up his own business, made it a success. Not gazillions, but business still strong and still going)

My mum has some wealth (because of dad's business. She's worked - she's been really successful - but not at the same level dad achieved.

I have young parents. Mum was around 65 when he died. They'd been together since she was 13. Very, very sad.

My DM is a bit amazing. (I would say that.... I love her to pieces!). She's a counsellor.

My mum befriends people. People love her. She's a friend (unofficial carer) to about a million people. There's someone she knows who is a social outcast to people who know him/his history. He's been through the courts twice, and has been shunned by people who know about it because of it. I'm not going to say what it was because it's outing, but it's sexual crimes against the vulnerable. My mum is his friend. After dad died, he's lived with her when he had no where else to go (for about a year and a half). She sees through the crimes that other people can't to the person beneath, and they get on really well and enjoy each other's company. He is a year older than me. and I fucking hate him. pervy, creepy fuck that he is, but not going to say this cos it derails my own thread and is outing to him. Not that he deserves any privacy!

Earlier this year their relationship moved on a level, and they're now a couple, although they keep this very quiet. I nearly started threads about it on here, because it is doing my head in, but I kind-of knew that MN would tell me it was none of my business, so I didn't. And my mum's older, but not old/old, and has the right to enjoy the rest of her life. it is very hard when she gets 'giddy' and excited though. BUT none of my business. I do get it's none of my business

I was talking to mum today about money, because we are skint. DH has recently taken early retirement, and I work almost full-time, and in a massively satisfying job, but one which doesn't pay well. We have (finally) achieved good work/life balance, but it's not enough to pay the bills, and we're worried about it. We are NOT on the breadline.... I work with people in poverty, and that's not us. We can't afford treats and holidays (boo-hoo us! I do appreciate people are in far worse situations). But DD's birthday is in November and Christmas is coming, and I honestly don't know how we're going to get through them (we will, but it will be hard. Not foodbank hard, but hard).

So far, so first world. I do get I'm being first-world!

I was talking to mum today, and I was telling her about this. My mum is wealthy (because of dad's business). So firstly, mum was offering to give me some of my inheritance early, and inherit less as a way to solve our immediate issues. I really don't want this (a) it breaks my heart to think of my mum dying and (b) at my age and stage, I think we should be dealing with this ourselves and finding our own solutions.

But, while we were talking about money, she had something to suggest to me. She said it came from the best place and out of kindness, but that she knew I wouldn't see it that way, but was going to tell me in any case.

When she dies (urrrrgh, urrrrgh, urrrgh. This breaks me!) me and my sister (who are NC) will inherit both a reasonable amount of money and property. And the business (which also comes with both). Her delightful BF has suggested that me and my (NC) sister will pay less inheritance tax if she gives some money to him which he has told her he will give to us.

I don't want to sound grabby. And I told mum it was her money, and she was welcome to give it all to the local cat's home if that was what she wanted.
But isn't this fucking cunt prick fleecing her? He's TOLD her he'll give it to us. But he's under no obligation to.

If he didn't, or if he put conditions on it, we'd have no chance to report him, because it's a tax dodge (and so illegal). It also means he'd stay in our lives, which I couldn't countenance (I fucking hate him,and would want nothing to do with him if mum wasn't around. I feel this is a way for him to stay in our lives)

This is very horrible and base. I'm ashamed about it, because I feel it's reducing my mum to what I'd potentially inherit from her, which is horrendous for me. I don't want to live in a world without her in it. With or without money.

But if this creep stays around, I promise I want nothing to do with him after mum dies. I don't want him to have a hold over me, potentially dishing out the occasional tenner if I'm nice to him.

How can I tell my mother I think he's a chancer who's fleecing her, when she's happy? And there's SO much back-story I'm not mentioning about my sister, who's made mum's life a misery.

This is just horrible!

OP posts:
Patsy99 · 08/10/2016 19:28

The follow up posts clarify that DM's partner is a paeodophile.

stonecircle · 08/10/2016 19:36

OP said her DD is a teenager. I fail to see how she could make sure she is never alone with creepy unless she has told her he is a paedophile and must never be with him on her own.

If she tells her DD about him then a) how will DD feel when she is in creepy's company even with others present? Decidedly uncomfortable I would imagine. And b) what does that say to DD about her grandmother and mother who would allow her to be in the presence of a paedophile?

There is SO much more than money at stake here.

iminshock · 08/10/2016 19:49

Yes I'd like to know what your dh thinks .

flippinada · 08/10/2016 21:05

Well, ok. Taking this at face value. Agree with PP that the money is a red herring.

More importantly, your DM is absolutely NOT a lovely woman. She has actively sought out, befriended and instigated a relationship with a child abuser. What kind of person does that? A kind, loving person with their families best interests at heart? I don't bloody think so.

Not only that but she has encouraged contact between this individual and her DGC and you have gone along with this which - at absolutely best - is incredibly naive.

How do you think your DC are going to feel about this when they grow up? Gee Mum, thanks so much for exposing us to this predatory peadophile, how open minded and tolerant of you? How does your DH feel about his children being encouraged to form a relationship with a sadistic nonce?

Seriously OP, Wake up. Money is not the issue here.

garlicandsapphire · 09/10/2016 10:18

And how can anyone guarantee that if paedo creepy man bumps into the DCs in town they wouldn't go somewhere with him, accept a lift etc? Since they think he's a good guy and no one's told them otherwise? He's now an accepted part of the family!!

Aeroflotgirl · 09/10/2016 12:37

I would not want anything to do with someone who knowingly has a relationship with a oaediphile and allowing her kids around them. I don't know how you can allow this. How old are your dd now?

cockadoodledoooo · 11/10/2016 01:37

This thread is clearly fake. The op cannot possibly think that well of a mother that puts a sex offender above that of her family? Not only that but 'he likes boys'?! Is her mother a boy? How could he be interested in her sexually? The mother is a trained counsellor but seeks out friendships with offenders?? It's all a bit of a farce!

If it is true, the mother is likely a sex offender herself. She enables/participates with these people under the guise of being the local do gooder.

daisychain01 · 11/10/2016 04:18

This thread is unreal.

I can't believe a poster thread said you can have empathy with a sex offender.

Speak for yourself!

HarryPottersMagicWand · 11/10/2016 11:46

cockadoodle I know some one who visited a family member who was a paedophile, with her children, because she was hoping she would be in the Will (she wasnt). Her view was also that it was ok because she wouldn't leave him alone with her DCs. Unfortunately there are people who do this. Member of DH's family was the same. Took her 2 DCs to visit her abuser but it was ok as they were never left alone Hmm. Wish people would put their fucking children above maintain a relationship with abusers and their bloody supporters. Which is exactly what you are doing OP. Putting your children at risk to keep your mum happy. You are a disgrace. But think about the money hey.

Aeroflotgirl · 11/10/2016 11:55

I reported this thread to mumsnet, they got back to me that the poster was genuine🤔🤔🤔

flippinada · 11/10/2016 12:07

It's one of those threads that you (general you) hope isn't actually true. Because the implications are so awful. Unfortunately there are people like this.

I bet Mr Creepy can't believe his luck.

HarryPottersMagicWand · 11/10/2016 12:13

Really aero! I'm pretty shocked at that and was waiting for the deletion message. There are a few things that wave flags to me.

Then I ultimately stand by by my previous post OP. Put your children first and tell your mother you don't want to know while she is being misguided and having a relationship with a dirty paedo. Some crimes deserve not to be seen past and this is definitely one of them.

shovetheholly · 11/10/2016 12:23

I feel sad that the OP hasn't been believed. That can be quite a corrosive thing when you are already feeling vulnerable. I think she is genuine. I also think that there are many, many situations in life where you have to make very uncomfortable compromises (though this is at the extreme of that) and I do believe her when she says she has watched Creepy like a hawk and ensured that he could never be a danger to her child. There are families where people have to do this for a whole variety of reasons (not just abuse, but narcissism etc) and it CAN be done. Just because most people can't imagine the effort it takes, doesn't make it impossible.

It sounds to me as though the mother is almost pathologically caring, in the sense that she feels almost compelled to find the good even in the very worst people. There are people like this. There is a touch of the saint about many of them. And there is also a touch of the I-cannot-believe-you-are-for-real when it comes to the practical naivete they can exhibit.

The ability of families to make their own, warped version of reality, and then insist on it, should also not be underestimated. A good person will tend to do this seeing the good in people who should perhaps be mistrusted.

For what it's worth, I think the OP is doing well to keep the lines of conversation open, and to navigate these two realities without becoming drawn into her mother's narrative, while also appreciating her perspective and the value of that forgiving attitude and while holding onto her very firm conviction that this man is really evil. I think that is a deeply, profoundly ethical struggle that she is fighting on a day-to-day basis, to support and protect two people she loves and to safeguard her child and stabilise her sense of reality. It is not easy and she doesn't deserve some of the criticism she is getting here.

shovetheholly · 11/10/2016 12:25

Oh, and for anyone who doesn't already know, I am a survivor of abuse, and my family has been torn apart by more than one instance of it across the generations. So I'm not just talking from the perspective of privilege and invulnerability.

SuperFlyHigh · 11/10/2016 12:41

I think OP is deluded but needs counselling as her views on sex offenders including her mum's boyfriend leave a lot to be desired.

How does she know the BF is being left a millions of pound house?! They could (his parents) disinherit him.

Also it is very easy to get through a few million as one of my boss' old clients could tell you..,

Fusspilz · 11/10/2016 12:44

Just a thought whoisshe124, but when your kids are older, they may have kids themselves and want to introduce them to their lovely family friend who they have known all their lives (aka, Mr Creepy). Will you tell them then that they can't ever leave their kids (your grandkids) unattended with him because of the risk he poses? If the answer is yes (and I hope it is), how do you think they will feel?

To be honest I think the lesson you are running the risk of teaching them right now (by letting them meet and be friendly with Mr Creepy) is that it is ok to minimize child abuse (ie by adults letting their kids be friends with an abuser).

randomer · 11/10/2016 12:46

can I nick naming the person " creepy" feels like normalizing it. and it isnt

CuppaTeaAndAJammieDodger · 11/10/2016 12:49

But surely people are defined by their actions? Put it this way, a paedophile who whilst being aware of their sexual feelings towards, let's say, boys, fought the urge and didn't act upon it would be thought of a lot more highly than one that carried on regardless.

Of course there are circumstances when people can sincerely reform or the offence (whatever it may be) was carried out at a very early age, in which case I agree. Although reform, in the case of sexual predation, I think is incredibly difficult as it isn't just a case of good/bad, but an inherent feeling/attitude towards their preferred group.

By the way, I think you are being incredibly restrained OP.

flippinada · 11/10/2016 13:01

Good point randomer. He's a lot more than just creepy, isn't he.

Aeroflotgirl · 11/10/2016 16:44

Yes harry, they got back to me, I was 😶

ToxicLadybird · 11/10/2016 17:00

It sounds like the OP has grown up being groomed to see situations like this as normal. From this perspective I do feel for her, although absolutely don't agree with her. I know from personal experience that it can take your whole adult life and cost a fortune in therapy to break away from your prescribed role in a dysfunctional family.

ChequeOff · 11/10/2016 17:08

I agree with toxic and think the OP is genuine. And is a victim of grooming and conditioning by her own mother.

Absolutely appalling circumstances.

Op, if you are still reading - your mother is an enabler to a paedophile. I, and others have said this so many times upthread but you aren't listening.

Your mother is not lovely. She is a shit stirring manipulated who gets off fucking a guy who has abused boys. Sorry that's brutal. But you need to wake up and see things the way they are.

flippinada · 11/10/2016 17:26

Yes, I think it's entirely likely the OP has been groomed all her life to think of this as normal and it's very difficult to go against that when you've been conditioned into it.

It looks like the accepted family story is that mum is this lovely, amazing and super caring person who can't stop herself from helping life's waifs and strays.

The truth is very different, isn't it? When you look at her actions, what she actually done is the very opposite of caring, lovely and selfless. It's appalling. Absolutely appalling. She's actively..ACTIVELY..sought out and befriended someone who's committed a hideous offence against children. Not only that (which is bad enough) but she's begun a sexual relationship with him! And while all of that's been going on she's bought up her daughters to think this is normal and encouraged contact between this evil pervert and her DGC! Truly twisted.

It would be very interesting to hear the perspective of the sister who's NC. I bet she doesn't have such a rose tinted view of her mother.

HexBramble · 11/10/2016 18:19

Haven't RTFT but I'm taking for granted that you don't take your DC to your Mum's home? And that your mum knows exactly why you don't?

Money aside, this is a terrible situation.

flippinada · 11/10/2016 18:23

No Hex they've met this man and apparently like him. Yes, really.