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This is completely horrible

281 replies

whoisshe124 · 05/10/2016 23:51

NC'd obvs.

DDad died around 7 years ago. Strong character. Much missed. Died far too young (67). This is relevant.... He was self-made (think a lesser Alan Sugar, i.e. came from nothing, set up his own business, made it a success. Not gazillions, but business still strong and still going)

My mum has some wealth (because of dad's business. She's worked - she's been really successful - but not at the same level dad achieved.

I have young parents. Mum was around 65 when he died. They'd been together since she was 13. Very, very sad.

My DM is a bit amazing. (I would say that.... I love her to pieces!). She's a counsellor.

My mum befriends people. People love her. She's a friend (unofficial carer) to about a million people. There's someone she knows who is a social outcast to people who know him/his history. He's been through the courts twice, and has been shunned by people who know about it because of it. I'm not going to say what it was because it's outing, but it's sexual crimes against the vulnerable. My mum is his friend. After dad died, he's lived with her when he had no where else to go (for about a year and a half). She sees through the crimes that other people can't to the person beneath, and they get on really well and enjoy each other's company. He is a year older than me. and I fucking hate him. pervy, creepy fuck that he is, but not going to say this cos it derails my own thread and is outing to him. Not that he deserves any privacy!

Earlier this year their relationship moved on a level, and they're now a couple, although they keep this very quiet. I nearly started threads about it on here, because it is doing my head in, but I kind-of knew that MN would tell me it was none of my business, so I didn't. And my mum's older, but not old/old, and has the right to enjoy the rest of her life. it is very hard when she gets 'giddy' and excited though. BUT none of my business. I do get it's none of my business

I was talking to mum today about money, because we are skint. DH has recently taken early retirement, and I work almost full-time, and in a massively satisfying job, but one which doesn't pay well. We have (finally) achieved good work/life balance, but it's not enough to pay the bills, and we're worried about it. We are NOT on the breadline.... I work with people in poverty, and that's not us. We can't afford treats and holidays (boo-hoo us! I do appreciate people are in far worse situations). But DD's birthday is in November and Christmas is coming, and I honestly don't know how we're going to get through them (we will, but it will be hard. Not foodbank hard, but hard).

So far, so first world. I do get I'm being first-world!

I was talking to mum today, and I was telling her about this. My mum is wealthy (because of dad's business). So firstly, mum was offering to give me some of my inheritance early, and inherit less as a way to solve our immediate issues. I really don't want this (a) it breaks my heart to think of my mum dying and (b) at my age and stage, I think we should be dealing with this ourselves and finding our own solutions.

But, while we were talking about money, she had something to suggest to me. She said it came from the best place and out of kindness, but that she knew I wouldn't see it that way, but was going to tell me in any case.

When she dies (urrrrgh, urrrrgh, urrrgh. This breaks me!) me and my sister (who are NC) will inherit both a reasonable amount of money and property. And the business (which also comes with both). Her delightful BF has suggested that me and my (NC) sister will pay less inheritance tax if she gives some money to him which he has told her he will give to us.

I don't want to sound grabby. And I told mum it was her money, and she was welcome to give it all to the local cat's home if that was what she wanted.
But isn't this fucking cunt prick fleecing her? He's TOLD her he'll give it to us. But he's under no obligation to.

If he didn't, or if he put conditions on it, we'd have no chance to report him, because it's a tax dodge (and so illegal). It also means he'd stay in our lives, which I couldn't countenance (I fucking hate him,and would want nothing to do with him if mum wasn't around. I feel this is a way for him to stay in our lives)

This is very horrible and base. I'm ashamed about it, because I feel it's reducing my mum to what I'd potentially inherit from her, which is horrendous for me. I don't want to live in a world without her in it. With or without money.

But if this creep stays around, I promise I want nothing to do with him after mum dies. I don't want him to have a hold over me, potentially dishing out the occasional tenner if I'm nice to him.

How can I tell my mother I think he's a chancer who's fleecing her, when she's happy? And there's SO much back-story I'm not mentioning about my sister, who's made mum's life a misery.

This is just horrible!

OP posts:
Goingtobeawesome · 08/10/2016 14:20

Everyone knew that but the OP is more vocal about the money than him seeing young children so are answering regarding that.

Aeroflotgirl · 08/10/2016 14:21

There are some things that are not right about the op

ChequeOff · 08/10/2016 14:22

Yes the money is a red herring.

StStrattersOfMN · 08/10/2016 14:31

Cheque I mentioned that way back this morning, and it got ignored. I have to say, it all sounds highly suspicious.

BummyMummy77 · 08/10/2016 14:57

I try so so hard not to judge people (or at least out loud) on mn but I think you've become numbed to the main issue here.

I agree we are more than our actions but I'd not be able to be around creepy (and I think this name alone is trivialising what he's done) especially as you have children.

I feel for you op. Horrible situation.

ChequeOff · 08/10/2016 15:10

So sorry about your experiences Stratters, just awful. I really hope things are better now. Flowers

To the OP:

Even Hitler was a vegetarian and painted. No one is just one thing.

No, no one is just one thing. However I still wouldn't want Hitler anywhere near me or my Jewish child. No matter how much therapy and rehabilitation he may have received since killing millions of innocent lives.
I would never trust him around my child.

The same goes for a paedophile.

ChequeOff · 08/10/2016 15:12

I have also reported

StStrattersOfMN · 08/10/2016 15:19

They are Cheque lovely, and what I experienced was very minimal compared to some poor people Flowers

As for Hitler, and his supposed vegetarianism, it's well documented that he was eating meat in 1937, so it was only at the very end of his life that he became one. And it has absolutely nothing to do with his 'kindness' towards animals, more his striving for health and immortality.

usual · 08/10/2016 15:21

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BummyMummy77 · 08/10/2016 15:27

I know plenty of vegetarians that are proper see you next Tuesdays. Wouldn't let ds near any of them.

ChequeOff · 08/10/2016 15:28

The reference to Hitler being a vegetarian who liked to paint was frankly bizarre. Hmm

stonecircle · 08/10/2016 15:33

Usual - I've been wondering. Lots of inconsistencies- for example in the age of 'DM'. If you were worried about IHT why would you not just google the rules - which are easy to find and clear enough about IHT being applied to an estate.

I also can't work out if the OP has one teenage DD or other children.

But above all why would you let a known paedophile anywhere near your child/children. The only person who I know has committed serious crimes against children is a teacher from my dcs' primary. I liked him very much. He's currently in prison. My dcs are all pretty much adults now, but if they were younger I would move heaven and earth to keep him away from them.

dirtywindows · 08/10/2016 15:34

I agree with everything that others have said regarding the money. Get your mum some inheritance planning advice from a professional and a will. About your feelings you need to be honest with your mum. Yes she deserves to be happy but she also deserves to know how her child feels. She's your mum, a counsellor and by all accounts a lovely person. She might not like what you say but will appreciate your honesty. And if she is being conned she deserves to be warned whether she accepts it or not. Good luck.

ChequeOff · 08/10/2016 15:35

The OP seems to have disappeared anyway since she dropped that last bit of drip-feed.

StStrattersOfMN · 08/10/2016 15:35

I'm with you usual, this just gets more and more ridiculous.

usual · 08/10/2016 15:50

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ChequeOff · 08/10/2016 15:52

You may be on to something usual Grin

randomer · 08/10/2016 17:59

Hitler invented something called The Final Solution.

whoisshe124 · 08/10/2016 18:10

Not ranting, but very hard reading some of the things people are saying about my mum.

It's also hard when you deliberately keep things vague in your OP because you don't want to be too identifying, and people make assumptions that you can't correct without going into a lot of detail.

I raised an OP. I've had a lot of advice and comments. I acted on some of that yesterday and came back to report what happened. I'm not sure I need to comment any further on this thread.

But I am very grateful to everyone who took time to comment. Even the comments I've found very hard. I'm going to think about those, and talk to DH.

My heart goes out to those of you who have shared your experience of abuse on here.

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BummyMummy77 · 08/10/2016 18:18

Sorry op. You sound lovely.

1moremum · 08/10/2016 18:36

He is grooming her to take advantage of her and her estate. It might be time to get in touch with NC sister. Or a professional peer of your mother? Or some other relative? Is there someone she knows and respects still at DDads business?

If she wants to reduce the eventual tax on her estate, she should be generous in gift to you now. If she wants to give cash to him after she dies, she needs to give it to him for him. Mixing up what she intends for you and what she intends for him is pointless.

You can tell her you prefer she leave him out of her estate planning. She has got along fine all this time, and if she wants advice, she should seek a professional, he is just as randomly sort of informed as asking the grocery clerk.

Woody67 · 08/10/2016 18:37

I would suggest to your mum if she wants to plan ahead and avoid IHT (there are legal ways of doing this such as gifts/trusts etc) then she would be best doing it legally through a solicitor with experience in this area so things are properly sorted out and there is no scope for any misunderstandings after she has gone.

1moremum · 08/10/2016 18:44

M'netters 'vulnerable' does not only mean children. It could be adults with disabilities of all sorts. Which isnt any better, but the thing is, assuming she is putting her children at risk is unneccesary.

Rollergirl1 · 08/10/2016 18:55

1more: The OP goes on to say that the boyfriend "prefers boys" which I think makes it pretty clear.

Also isn't it the OP that is NC with sister rather than the Mum?

OP, what does your DH think about your DC being exposed to a convicted paedophile? Other than to say that he retired early you have not mentioned him once!

Kleinzeit · 08/10/2016 19:28

1more: The OP said she makes sure he is never alone with her children. Which means she thinks that he is a danger to them.

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